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#1 Achaemenid

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:01 PM

Let's go with 2750/1625 for word limits. 1ac is just a smidge over at 2790, feel free to reciprocate. Open for CX whenever you're ready.


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#2 Achaemenid

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:02 PM

1ac didn't upload, should work this time.

Edit: Idk why it double posted, -_-

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#3 Achaemenid

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:02 PM

1ac didn't upload, should work this time.


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#4 vmanAA738

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:26 PM

CX: 

How is this aff inherent?

what is a restorative justice program? examples?

how are school suspensions the school to prison pipeline?

what does the aff do about SROs?

how does the aff resolve attitudes that resemble eugenics logic?

do you have a solvency advocate for the plan text?

how does your plan ban ztps?

why would the trump administration do this aff?

please name 4 offs that I could read in the 1NC that would not violate/trigger anything in the framing contention.

what are the 3 DA preempts meant to take out?

what parts of the plan text have you read solvency evidence for in the 1nc?


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#5 TheSnowball

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:36 PM

I'd love to judge.
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Kafka 25 (Franz, Novelist, Translated by David Wyllie, "The Trial", 1925) //Snowball

K. was informed by telephone that there would be a small hearing concerning his case the following Sunday. He was made aware that these cross examinations would follow one another regularly, perhaps not every week but quite frequently. On the one hand it was in everyone’s interest to bring proceedings quickly to their conclusion, but on the other hand every aspect of the examinations had to be carried out thoroughly without lasting too long because of the associated stress. For these reasons, it had been decided to hold a series of brief examinations following on one after another. Sunday had been chosen as the day for the hearings so that K. would not be disturbed in his professional work. It was assumed that he would be in agreement with this, but if he wished for another date then, as far as possible, he would be accommodated. Cross-examinations could even be held in the night, for instance, but K. would probably not be fresh enough at that time. Anyway, as long as K. made no objection, the hearing would be left on Sundays. It was a matter of course that he would have to appear without fail, there was probably no need to point this out to him. He would be given the number of the building where he was to present himself, which was in a street in a suburb well away from the city centre which K. had never been to before.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:34 PM

I'd love to judge.

go for it snowball


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:39 PM

Low key do y’all mind if I drop an RFD if we get a third
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#8 Achaemenid

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:40 PM

CX: 

How is this aff inherent?

Currently the USFG is working to increase security like SROs or ZTPs in schools as indicated in the Winn 18 card. More importanly is what's in the Keierleber 15 card, that most states don't have laws to make sure SROs have proper training to interact with students from many backgrounds, nor do states have the ability to fund this/have a strong incentive to. State or district regulations often prevent individual schools from acting as well.

what is a restorative justice program? examples?

A restorative justice program focuses on helping students who have caused trouble understand the impact on fellow students and staff etc, as well as encouraging a dialogue, which is very effective and improving behavior, as opposed to funnaling youth into the STPP. Plenty of schools, including my own, have implimented restorative justice, and if you want I can cite specific examples.

how are school suspensions the school to prison pipeline?

Suspensions are damaging to a student's ability to succeed in our current school system, and also are a direct conduit into the legal system. SROs often will refer a student into the youth justice system for whatever issues they were suspended for, if the student doesn't have to interact with the justice system for the suspension itself. These issues are very much correlated.

what does the aff do about SROs?

The aff gives SROs implicit bias training, so that they can better interact with youth from diverse backgrounds, particularly minorities or the disbaled.

how does the aff resolve attitudes that resemble eugenics logic?

Eugenics logic isn't a 1-step issue, and we don't claim 100% solvency. We claim to help solve for a concrete case of ableist violence. We also will argue that our Brown and Mediratta 15 card indicates that keeping disabled students in schools helps destigmatize them, which does help counter societal eugenics attitudes.

do you have a solvency advocate for the plan text?
Several. Heitzag 14 is a great advocate for why removing ZTPs is bad. Pernell 15 explains that DOE is great for handling disperate impacts like ZTP, and Hernandez 16 is a great advocate for restorative justice.

how does your plan ban ztps?

Normal means--Congress and Executive branch action, enforced by courts.

why would the trump administration do this aff?

Our plan combats a direct cause of structural violence, and if the Trump administartion cares about reducing structural violence our plan is a great to do that.

please name 4 offs that I could read in the 1NC that would not violate/trigger anything in the framing contention.

Sure: Deschooling, Midterms, Devos DA, and Hate Crimes DA all come to mind. You have plenty and varied ground as long as you articulate it well.

what are the 3 DA preempts meant to take out?

Mostly Fism, also Spending. Really anything trying to say we UQly increase funding or reg.

what parts of the plan text have you read solvency evidence for in the 1nc?

Our solvency advocates have warrants covering all parts of the plan text.


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#9 Achaemenid

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:41 PM

Low key do y’all mind if I drop an RFD if we get a third

That'd be awesome! Please do!


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#10 Achaemenid

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:41 PM

I'd love to judge.

Thanks Snowball! That'd be really great


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#11 vmanAA738

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:04 AM

last question- i want you to only defend congressional action


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:07 AM

sure i can judge


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#13 Achaemenid

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:16 AM

last question- i want you to only defend congressional action

I apologize if I misunderstand, but you're requesting I only fiat congress? I'm willing to make concesions for neg ground, but I have a solvency advocate for DOE so it isn't really fair to ask me to kick the executive branch. Without courts you can also make a disperate impact precedent argument, so If I'm going to not defend that I need you to agree not to run an argument that's impossible to answer without courts, for reciprocity's sake.


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#14 Achaemenid

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:16 AM

sure i can judge

yeet, sounds great.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:48 AM

I can judge as well, if you all don’t mind a fourth judge.
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#16 Achaemenid

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:09 AM

I can judge as well, if you all don’t mind a fourth judge.


Wow, we're getting quite the panel going. The more the merrier, we're happy to have you!
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#17 vmanAA738

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:29 AM

1NC is posted here:

 

8 off, contention 2, contention 3, solvency, framing

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:49 PM

I'll judge to if y'all want 5


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#19 vmanAA738

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:52 PM

I'll judge to if y'all want 5



Sure go for it
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#20 Achaemenid

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:03 PM

CX:
1) What are 5 affs topical under you education interp that the States CP can't solve?
2) How can regulation affs beat circumvention arguments under your regulation interp?
3) On the procedural, we included the original text in struckthrough form, and none of it was highlighted, how does that misconstrue the card?

4) What's the link story on the PTX DA? How does a republican administration passing a bill cause republicans to backlash, and how does backlashing against republican policy make a republican policy pass?

5) Is there any warrant to total grid collapse in your Boyd and Carlson card?

6) Why do states solve better than the USFG? Your solvency advocate just said RTTT and NCLB didn't work out well.

7) How does the aff link to the K? We don't endorse the obligatory school system, or necessarily use it.

8) What does voting for the alt on the K do?

9) Why not just fiat a dismantling of obligatory schooling, that'd solve your impacts.
10) The thumpers are in context of education, why does the aff trigger the Das but not the thumpers?

Edited for clarity.


Edited by Achaemenid, 17 May 2018 - 10:12 PM.

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