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#1 GayAsInHappy

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 08:20 PM

Anyone wanna debate :) I could be aff or neg your preference? 


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#2 GracchusBabeuf

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:26 AM

sure I'm down if no one else offers (the reason being idk how reliable my access to my computer will be over these next few days). So if no one else is down to debate by tomorrow, choose your side and we' go from there


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#3 TheTrashDebater

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 06:49 PM

I mean if GracchusBabeuf wants to do it that's fine but I'm willing to go neg


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#4 GayAsInHappy

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:34 AM

@graccesbeafuea

Thanks for the reply! I think I'ma debate Trashdebator since you said you don't know about your computer access. :)

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Alright! I'll debate you!


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 09:27 AM

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Thanks for the reply! I think I'ma debate Trashdebator since you said you don't know about your computer access. :)
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Alright! I'll debate you!

Alright, just post the 1AC and I'll CX by the end of the day
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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:44 AM

Hey trashdebator I'm having this weird problem. For some reason it won't let me drag my file into the chat. How do you sumbit the file/ is there any other way :o



Edit: Oh i just saw your message on my other post. Thank you!


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#7 GayAsInHappy

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:52 AM

Here ya go~~

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 05:26 PM

Yay a disableism aff
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#9 TheTrashDebater

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:02 AM

Aight here's CX:
 

So how exactly does the plan solve for your impacts?

 

What are your impacts?

 

What exactly are "crip communities"?

 

So who executes this discrimination and exclusion exactly?


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 08:05 AM

Aight here's CX:
 
So how exactly does the plan solve for your impacts?

 Crip communities are allowed positions of power to administer education of students w/ dis/abilities.

What are your impacts?
 
Eugenics, propagation of ableism through the educational system.

What exactly are "crip communities"?
Communities who dwell in dis/abilities and want to fight the notion of dis/ability as something to be cured. Its a social group isn't defined by a static notion of identty, because dis/abilities is constantly in a state of becoming.
 
So who executes this discrimination and exclusion exactly?


Ableist people who hold positions of power within USFG educational instutions.
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#11 TheTrashDebater

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 11:55 AM

Aight heres the 1NC, order is 4 offAttached File  1NC.docx   40.58KB   62 downloads


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 01:44 PM

The citations in the 1AC need to be fixed - you need citations for all authors and the date in the portion of the cite you read, not # card you've read from that same author - ie Mitchell et al 1 should be Mitchell (actual date) and a list of all other contributing authors in the actual citation and their qualifications. This isn't going to affect the round, but it may affect future ones. 


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 09:27 PM

who doesn't love under-highlighted and butchered antonio 95 !1!!111!!!!1


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#14 GayAsInHappy

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 10:52 AM

Are the abuses stemming off the t shell still true, even though you got to read 4 off case against aff?
 

Are the abuses in round or potential abuses?

What is the stasis arguement you made?
 

The Pollack card only talks about how the U.S. should structure Iraq gov, what's the internal link to Iraqi war?

Is your antiono card only contextualised to role playing?

 

Can you explain the double bind?

 

How does saying the gov should do x lead to a negation of all life?


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 12:55 PM

Are the abuses stemming off the t shell still true, even though you got to read 4 off case against aff?

Completely, if you look at all the neg arguments you can clearly see two things, the lack of case which I would've swapped out for the states CP if there had been case. Then completely generic arguments, generic links, solvency and a fiat db. Literally all of the negs arguments at fiat level are completely generic.

Are the abuses in round or potential abuses?

Well this comes to actual abuse for 2 reasons really 1. Because you've already skewed my negative strategy by making me point out your aff doesn't fit the resolution and 2. Because we had no preparation or ability to combat a case with "crip communities" executing the plan, and no this isn't me being lazy due to my lack of prep this is me saying that there is literally no way I could have predicted your aff or in my wildest dreams seen your aff. Because of this you have driven me to generic and rid this round of any education I could have gained.

What is the stasis arguement you made?

The point of my stasis argument is that my interp is key to the resolutional stasis of the USFG being the actor and without it you disrupt that stasis which is bad due to my voters.

The Pollack card only talks about how the U.S. should structure Iraq gov, what's the internal link to Iraqi war?

It's not specifically an Iraqi war it's a war in the Middle East first of all. Then like it's just basics that the US has been invested in modeling the Iraqi government to be like the US. We tried to influence federalism specifically but if we can't even execute federalism correctly then our efforts collapse as well as the country would escalate due to instability.

Is your antiono card only contextualised to role playing?
Yes it is.

Can you explain the double bind?

Basically it's that either your harms will happen and you can't solve them so neg is voted up for presumption or you've constructed your impacts to alarm the judge into voting aff which then the judge should vote neg on principle.

How does saying the gov should do x lead to a negation of all life?

It's a concept Nietzsche developed called ressentiment. Basically that we become so entranced with our roles that we start to believe that we are our roles which then leads to ressentiment.


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:06 PM

Is it cool if I judge?


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 05:14 PM

Sure, just post your paradigm on the thread so we can see it if that's ok!
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 06:01 PM

Thanks, here's it below

 

I'll listen to most arguments that aren't Time Cube or the alphabet of Spec. If you can pull those off on the line by line however, I'll try my best to evaluate them. I love debaters who can see the big picture, leverage arguments on different flows well and it'll do wonders in front of me.

 

This year, I read mostly Plan based Aff's and specific DA's or K's on the neg. Below are some of my more complete thoughts on specific argument types.

 

tl;dr: Specific links are the best. Tech>Truth in most cases (Anything outrageous like giving China 5 trillion dollars for Nukes will result in Judge Intervention). Do as much on the LBL as possible. Control Framework and you will probably win the debate.

 

Performance Affs: I'm cool with whatever. I prefer if your Aff talks about the resolution in some way (that's up to you to determine), but if you don't, you must have a good reason why or I'm heavily neg leaning on Framework. I like Aff's that leverage specific turns on Topicality in the 2AC rather than generic impact turns, so having that with a K Aff is definitely a must have in front of me.

 

Case: I love Impact Turns and specific internal link turns. I feel that many times, 2NR's will go for Artificially competitive counteprlans instead of leveraging specific turns on the Aff. Using a strategic Impact Turn will go a long way towards winning my ballot.

 

Kritiks: I'm most familiar with Derrida, Mbembe, Anthro authors, and Model Minority authors, but I'm well read in a lot of post modern theory - Heidegger, Schmitt, Foucault, Baudrillard, etc. I also know other K's like Cap and Security very well. Don't assume I know what you're talking about though, long tag lines and buzz words won't do much without sufficient explanation. Please don't have the 2NC be 7 minutes of overview and just say "on my O/V" when you're answering the Line by Line. LBL debates are where many K debates are won or lost. Specific contextualizations of link scenarios will do wonders in front of me, if you read a K as part of a 6-Off strat, having a generic link and then contextualizing it in the block is cool, but if you're going 1-off, then you should have specific links to isolate in the 1NC. I'm not well convinced of criticisms of the Status Quo rather than of the aff, so please have a link that I can specifically weigh when isolating specific impact scenarios. Framework is also crucial when telling me how to evaluate links. 

 

Disads: I love specific disads that get into the nitty gritty of the Aff, I read them about 60% of the time this year. Like K's, if you read a generic topic disad, please isolate specific link scenarios. 

 

Counterplans: Specific Counterplans that aren't artificially competitive will go a long weigh towards mitigating the Aff in front of me. I dislike Consult CP's and Delay CP's, but if argued well, I will vote on them. Specific Agent CP's are sweet if you have solvency advocates related to the Aff. 2NC amendments are usually bad unless in response to 2AC Add-Ons. Note - I am really convinced of "need solvency advocate" theory so please have one unless it's part of the 1AC.

 

Topicality: I love T shells that are argued well. A struggle I often see is weighing fairness v education impacts, doing so will make the decision incredibly clearer to me. Against K Affs - I went for FW almost every time on the Neg, I find myself more convinced by Substance questions like SSD args, but Hard FW like Fairness can still get my ballot. I cannot stress controlling the direction of the Aff's solvency when debating FW, because that allows the Aff to leverage key turns that can switch my ballot very quickly.

 

Condo: I am very convinced by Perf-Con args. Mostly neg leaning but anything more than 5 Condo will cause me to lean Aff.

 

Extra Stuff - I love specific, updated cards, but don't let them make arguments for you. I won't evaluate cards on their own if there isn't an external warrant made outside of the ev. The only exception to this is late breaking Impact Turn debates in response to 2AC Add-ons where letting the cards do the talking is crucial due to a time trade-off.


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 06:28 PM

Is your antiono card only contextualised to role playing?
Yes it is.
Can you explain the double bind?
Basically it's that either your harms will happen and you can't solve them so neg is voted up for presumption or you've constructed your impacts to alarm the judge into voting aff which then the judge should vote neg on principle.
How does saying the gov should do x lead to a negation of all life?
It's a concept Nietzsche developed called ressentiment. Basically that we become so entranced with our roles that we start to believe that we are our roles which then leads to ressentiment.

what did i say? oh yeah, butchered. if you are going to read this in the future, don't purposefully under-highlight it to be a "troll" we had kmultra for that (at least know the arguement if you're going to do it so you have some credibility). so if you're gonna use it as a time skew at least try to make it less obvious (there are no warrants highlighted, which is bad in it of itself) and understand the arguement a little more. not being mean, just a pet peeve/trying to be constructive. also Kierkegaard developed the first concepts of ressentiment

edit: spelling error

Edited by GracchusBabeuf, 14 August 2017 - 06:35 PM.

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#20 GayAsInHappy

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 07:27 PM

oki, here's the 2 ac

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