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#1 tommy949

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 02:37 PM

I think the final round will include Rutgers NM and somebody else? Any guesses?


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 03:28 PM

UMKC AT..


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 04:40 PM

I think the final round will include Rutgers NM and somebody else? Any guesses?


Lolol they droped to

UMKC AT..


In prelims infront of Toya Green. AT is def favorite to win this.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:24 PM

UMKC AT has seven wins atm - They're probably going to win.


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:21 PM

UMKC AT has seven wins atm - They're probably going to win.

They were undefeated last year in prelims and lost in Quarters


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:07 PM

Lolol they droped to


In prelims infront of Toya Green. AT is def favorite to win this.

Rutgers NM is in the elims, What do you mean?


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:14 PM

Rutgers NM is in the elims, What do you mean?


Yeah, you debate 8 rounds before elims, NM dropped to AT.

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 02:14 PM

I think UCO HS will win CEDA.

 

Having said that, I had Corey as a Lab Leader at Camp and he knows his arguments better than anyone I've ever seen or met except maybe for Ignacio Evans so it will be hard-pressed for anyone to knock him and Anthony out.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 03:11 PM

Please excuse my ignorance here-- I know very little about the college game

But like why doesnt every school go to CEDA? Reading the entry list I notice the absence of a handful of big schools. Do policy teams tend to shy away from CEDA?
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 03:18 PM

@Nonegfiat From what I've heard the big schools kind of look down on CEDA, like there's less prestige associated with it. Also many of them are going to the NDT which is next weekend, so maybe they're prepping or something.
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#11 Nonegfiat

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 03:55 PM

@Nonegfiat From what I've heard the big schools kind of look down on CEDA, like there's less prestige associated with it. Also many of them are going to the NDT which is next weekend, so maybe they're prepping or something.

thanks, that's helpful. I wonder why they don't space out those tournaments more


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 04:27 PM

I think finals will be UCO HS and UMKC AT - theyve both done rly well, and UCO is reallllllllllly good esp w/ FWK (plus one of UCOs only dropped ballots was to UMKC AT, arguably the other best team there)


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 04:48 PM

@Nonegfiat the college community is very divided. CEDA and NDT were originally separate organizations. CEDA was a response to elitism of debate which is why CEDA is know as "the people's tournament". They have been getting closer together both time wise and location wise to allow more people attended both. A lot of big policy schools do not come to CEDA any more, in my opinion, because they think they are better than those that participate in CEDA. Both tournaments are dying,in four years CEDA is half the size it was.

TL;DR Schools with lots of money think they are too good for "the people's tournament".
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:13 PM

Both tournaments are dying,in four years CEDA is half the size it was.

 

That's really sad, especially since I'm so hyped to get into college debate next year. Why do you think they're dying?


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:15 PM

Divide in the community, funding issues, creeps. There are new programs popping up but a lot of people don't have time or money to take time to compete.
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:23 PM

creeps

 

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:26 PM

@Nonegfiat From what I've heard the big schools kind of look down on CEDA, like there's less prestige associated with it. Also many of them are going to the NDT which is next weekend, so maybe they're prepping or something.

A lot of the prestige aspect stems from the fact that CEDA does not have a qualification process meaning that you can just sign up and go while the NDT has a extensive Bid system and the District qualification process.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:29 PM

The community has been working really hard to force any violent people out because coaches that have abused power in the past have often been insulated against that. That one really sucks because debate being a safe space has meant weeding out sexual assulaters who often take their whole program with them. I am in favor of this because debate should be a safe space and fuck those creeps.
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:53 PM

The community has been working really hard to force any violent people out because coaches that have abused power in the past have often been insulated against that. That one really sucks because debate being a safe space has meant weeding out sexual assulaters who often take their whole program with them. I am in favor of this because debate should be a safe space and fuck those creeps.


Yeah i gotta agree. Your moral compass is way off if you think ending some programs is too big a price to pay for weeding out sexual assaulters. I mean debate is important but not more important than people's safety. But yeah that's a really sad situation. I'm glad these people are being weeded out and I hope the community sees growth in the future

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:55 PM

Divide in the community

This^, there is self-imposed divide in College debate that is significantly more apparent than in high school.

 

I think the last team to win CEDA reading a plan was Kansas State MZ in 2011. Teams like Harvard and Northwestern used to compete in CEDA but I think they all dropped off after around 2008 or so (this is an estimate, I'm not quite sure what the exact season was). The main perception of CEDA is that it is filled with K based teams and while there are a couple of teams reading traditional plan based Affs (relatively) such as Kansas, for the most part deep elims at CEDA most debates are K on K.

 

The NDT is significantly more diverse with teams like Vermont, Liberty, Emporia, Army, Kansas BR, Michigan KM, Rutgers, and Towson making appearances in elims and sometimes even winning it in the case of Emporia, but at the highest levels, but it is predominately dominated by traditional teams such as Georgetown, Michigan, and Northwestern. 

 

I think that with more and more teams from traditionally traditional schools such as Harvard AM, Michigan KM, Northwestern KL, Kansas BR (I think Kansas DR now) starting to read more diverse arguments, the divide will eventually heal, but for now, there is a pretty huge split between the "Kritik" and the "Policy" side of the college community that manifests itself in tournament pools and the teams competing at the highest levels.


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