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    jbh428 has posted in Education VDebate- Jbh428(Aff) v. JW4167(Neg) in Virtual Debates and Online Videos.
    niceee, sorry if i seemed hostile or anything, i just found it funny. don’t blame you tho, great book, and awesome aff   You are good I completely understand.
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    GracchusBabeuf has posted in Education VDebate- Jbh428(Aff) v. JW4167(Neg) in Virtual Debates and Online Videos.
    I Read the same book as MBA and then modified and re cut the aff with their permission.niceee, sorry if i seemed hostile or anything, i just found it funny. don’t blame you tho, great book, and awe...
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    jbh428 has posted in Education VDebate- Jbh428(Aff) v. JW4167(Neg) in Virtual Debates and Online Videos.
    In the world of the aff, how would the schools you and me go to specifically change?   Specificly we would see a severe change in curriculum. In the Squo students learn that Columbus found A...
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    jbh428 has posted in Education VDebate- Jbh428(Aff) v. JW4167(Neg) in Virtual Debates and Online Videos.
    isn’t this atticus’ aff? literally card for card lmfao I Read the same book as MBA and then modified and re cut the aff with their permission. 
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    LOLZNO has posted in Citing Essays in Help Me....
    How should you cite an essay that you find within a book IE the book is really just a compilation of various essays. Do you only cite the essay? Should I cite just the book? Or do i cite both the...
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    How should you cite an essay that you find within a book IE the book is really just a compilation of various essays. Do you only cite the essay? Should I cite just the book? Or do i cite both the e...
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    • LOLZNO

      How should you cite an essay that you find within a book IE the book is really just a compilation of various essays. Do you only cite the essay? Should I cite just the book? Or do i cite both the essay and the book

      The primary author should be the author of the essay (in F8). In the full citation, you should include the book title in addition to the title of the essay/title of chapter.

       

      Example:

      Last Name of Essay Author Year (Full name of essay author, qualifications of essay writer, "Essay Title", Published in X book by Y person in X year, essay originally written X date, page numbers if possible in book)

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    aprasad202 has posted in Someone explain Educational Futurism please in Help Me....
    I'm definitely no expert on Edelman's works (so anyone who is more familiar with his works, please feel free to correct me), but it is my understanding that he critiques the figure of "the child"...
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    GracchusBabeuf has posted in Education VDebate- Jbh428(Aff) v. JW4167(Neg) in Virtual Debates and Online Videos.
    2400/1600 words Judges: NickDB8, TheTrashDebater, elmeryang00 1ac is 2386 words Open for Cross-Xisn’t this atticus’ aff? literally card for card lmfao
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    Could I get a card that says something along the lines of "Schools that have eliminated Corporal Punishment have less discrimination in schools"? Thanks! I don't think this is quite what you're...
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    Alright, I'll number my questions to minimize confusion. I will note, I know sweet fuckall about bataille atm 1. What should I read from his philosophy to understand it, rn I have an incredibly bas...
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    Jw4167 has posted in Education VDebate- Jbh428(Aff) v. JW4167(Neg) in Virtual Debates and Online Videos.
    In the world of the aff, how would the schools you and me go to specifically change?   How does aff lead to rematriation of land?   Where do you show that this form of education can remov...
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    Chaos has posted in Someone explain Educational Futurism please in Help Me....
    The distinction between the capitalised Child and uncapitalised children is likely important, I'd suggest preserving it when you talk about this card. Queering is a word with sexual connotations, w...
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    ConsultVerminSupreme has posted in Someone explain Educational Futurism please in Help Me....
    I'm definitely no expert on Edelman's works (so anyone who is more familiar with his works, please feel free to correct me), but it is my understanding that he critiques the figure of "the child" a...
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    I specifically don't understand the alt, it talks about queering the child. Can someone please explain?   The alternative is to queer the Child – only our negation of the Child as a symbol o...
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    • Chaos

      The distinction between the capitalised Child and uncapitalised children is likely important, I'd suggest preserving it when you talk about this card.

      Queering is a word with sexual connotations, which is partly why the alternative proposed seems so shocking, but a more literal definition probably would be something like deconstructing people's notions of. So, the Child as a figure of innocence and virtue is a lie. Children can be cruel, or costly, or stupid. Depending on how far you want to take it, you can throw a bunch of insults at children for not being capable. Like, babies are probably not sapient lifeforms who truly deserve our moral consideration as equals, they're just hungry flesh-blobs. Treating cuteness or aesthetics as a stand-in for objective moral value justifies atrocities. That sort of thing. You might also consider that the notion of childhood as a special form of innocence is arguably historically recent, and look into past societies or different cultures' conceptions of childhood, to the extent that they exist. I'd advise doing a few quick searches for variants of "childhood" on /r/askhistorians to find scholarly references, although the literature cited would probably be too sober for you to directly apply in-round. Background knowledge is still good.

      Think also of the notion of queerness that you encounter in some 19th and 20th century literature, especially British literature.

      Basically the point I'm making is that there are a wide variety of ideas that would naturally be associated with this idea and you should be wiling to draw from all of them. Ideally, when doing research, you want to move beyond just interpreting cards and become inspired by them. There's ambiguity in a lot of critical literature, and it's often intentional because authors want to encourage this sort of thing (and because it's a good way to deflect criticism). The ability to produce new statements that weren't made by the card's author but could have been is a great test of whether someone understands an idea. Of course this requires caution, because it's easy to overlook important nuances when thinking in this fashion. But you need to try to generate new ideas, and then test whether those ideas are consistent with the old one, if you really want to press forward your understanding. That the test sometimes says you failed is a feature, not a bug.

      Edit: Almost forgot to mention. Arguably the author really does intend to talk about the literal sexuality of children, though not in terms blatant enough to get them in trouble. The references to queering and innocence and desires were probably not made by someone unaware of their connotations. At the very least I think the author intended for the sexual connotations of their words to discomfort people, perhaps to get them to think more. The sexuality of children is probably not nonexistent, but I'm still bound enough by the cultural mores of our society to not want to go into greater detail. I'd advise that you spin the card in the first way discussed only, not the second. Talking about the sexuality of children would probably not to much to dispel people's notion of the Child as an innocent that needs to be protected; it'd be more likely to reinforce it. But if you're really looking to smash some taboos and don't care about what damage it might do (as some queer theorists might advise, even - conservativism in risk assessment is not popular among revolutionaries), this is also an avenue of research you could explore. I'd advise against it, since squick. But maybe squick is what's holding back radical queer politics.

    • aprasad202

      I'm definitely no expert on Edelman's works (so anyone who is more familiar with his works, please feel free to correct me), but it is my understanding that he critiques the figure of "the child" as the symbolic foundation that defines futurity in terms of reproduction. I believe there is a more in-depth psychoanalytical argument introduced in this literature base about how the figure of the child is a libidinally rooted phenomenon that causes us to project the death drive on to the figure of the queer. This means that placing our hopes in the future (and thus, the figure of the child) is one that relies upon the exclusion of queer bodies because as I said before, the concept of the child and reproduction are intrinsic to futurism.

       

      This alternative seems to say that we should reveal and threaten the figure of the child by engaging in the unthinkable project of "queering the child" -- this entails actively exposing the (false) innocence of the child, revealing it as an oppressive figure that is used to justify a future that is always already normative and exclusionary. This alters the way education is structured on a fundamental level -- by putting the child in the position of the queer, the alternative disrupts the way curriculum and schooling is set up in protection and active affirmation of the child.

       

      This is a pretty good base explanation but a couple things I would add is that the reason that the queer is excluded from the symbolic order is Within society there are symbols/concepts. The concept of man and woman i believe is one that can contributes to a heteronormative future IE reproduction. Queer cannot reproduce they are considered outside the symbolic order. This means they must be eliminated because of a will to wholeness. There is a drive within the symbolic order to create a heteronormative society that can be described by symbols and concepts.

      I would also note that the term Queer, while edelman usually uses the example of a homosexual man, can be considered anything outside the symbolic order or not living up to the figure of the Child, which is the symbol that represents a perfect heteronormative western society IE transgender, women, blacks, or disabled folk. 

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    seanarchy has posted in DDI militarism aff in Help Me....
    Just tested it and you're right, there's some problem with the files. I got some XML stuff I don't understand.
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    jbh428 has posted in Would anyone like to debate? in Virtual Debates and Online Videos.
    Virtualcdebate thread same as this one.
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    I've tried to download this aff on openevidence project and I for some reason can't seem to look at the aff on neither google docs or Microsoft. Is this just my problem or is it for everyone? 
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      Just tested it and you're right, there's some problem with the files. I got some XML stuff I don't understand.