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  1. could you explain the alterantive a bit more and where he articulates that or cites referencing it?


    yeah no problem if you're interested in the primary source lit is the melodrama of otherness, originally published in the transparency of evil but like there's IJBS articles about it too, like http://www2.ubishops.ca/baudrillardstudies/vol3_1/baudrillard2.htm


    this passage is key


    The way in which beings and things relate to each other is not a matter of structural difference. The symbolic order implies dual and complex forms that are not dependent on the distinction between ego and other. The Pariah is not the other to the Brahmin: rather, their destinies are different. The two are not differentiated along a single scale of values: rather, they are mutually reinforcing aspects of an immutable order, parts of a reversible cycle like the cycle of day and night. Do we say that the night is the other to the day? No. So why should we say that the masculine is the other to the feminine? For the two are undoubtedly merely reversible moments, like night and day, following upon one other and changing places with one another in an endless process of seduction. One sex is thus never the other for the other sex, except within the context of a differentialistic theory of sexuality – which is basically nothing but a utopia. For difference is itself a utopia: the idea that such pairs of terms can be split up is a dream – and the idea of subsequently reuniting them is another. (This also goes for the distinction between Good and Evil: the notion that they might be separated out from one another is pure fantasy, and it is even more utopian to think in terms of reconciling them.)


    IE ideas like race and gender are like yin and yang in that they aren't opposites but instead flow into one another


    AND reconciliation = utopian fantasy that doesn't acknowledge that there are cultural differences that ebb and flow as part of difference


    For “We respect the fact that you are different” read: “You people who are underdeveloped would do well to hang on to this distinction because it is all you have left.” (The signs of folklore and poverty are excellent markers of difference.) Nothing could be more contemptuous – or more contemptible – than this attitude, which exemplifies the most radical form of incomprehension that exists.




    Other cultures, meanwhile, have never laid claim to universality. Nor did they ever claim to be different – until difference was forcibly injected into them as part of a sort of cultural opium war. They live on the basis of their own singularity, their own exceptionality, on the irreducibility of their own rites and values. They find no comfort in the lethal illusion that all differences can be reconciled – an illusion that for them spells only annihilation.


    So your argument (and his is basically)

    they = logic of humanism as they attempt to reconcile difference which is violent in its claims to be universal

    that causes racism as differences must be made materially manifest

    differences are reversible and not fixed, instead of recuperating them within the logic of the universal we should hold the other at a difference in an agonistic exchange

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  2. these cards explain it very well


    the basic point as victoria grace makes it ---


    When the Other is foreign, strange, ‘other’, for example, within the order of the symbolic in Baudrillard’s critical terms, there is no scale of equivalence or difference against which discrimination can be performed. Encounter and transformation are fully open and reversible, in all forms (including the agonistic encounter of violence and death). Racism becomes possible when ‘the other becomes merely different’ as then the other becomes ‘dangerously similar’. This is the moment, according to Baudrillard, when ‘the inclination to keep the other at a distance comes into being’ (TE: 129). The intolerable introjection of difference in the case of the construction of ‘the subject’ as ‘different’, or traversed by a multiplicity of ‘differences’, means the other must be exorcised: the differences of the other must be made materially manifest


    racism is a product of difference - when we envelop the radically other into our (national, cultural, racial) fold, they begin to be perceived as encroaching upon 'our way of life' our jobs etc, what trump is all about because they are 'dangerously similar to us'


    we must make differences materially manifest - lets build a wall


    baudrillard's alternative is the agonistic clash between races, a kind of leftist assimilation bad argument, it's not racism per se but instead acknowledgement of the other






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  3. Life is suffering – each day is another 24 hours of torture and misery

    Schopenhauer 1890 (Arthur, “On The Sufferings Of The World,” Studies in Pessimism, http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/ schopenhauer/arthur/pessimism/complete.html)


    Unless suffering is the direct and immediate object of life, our existence must entirely fail of its aim. It is absurd to look upon the enormous amount of pain that abounds everywhere in the world, and originates in needs and necessities inseparable from life itself, as serving no purpose at all and the result of mere chance. Each separate misfortune, as it comes, seems, no doubt, to be something exceptional; but misfortune in general is the rule. I know of no greater absurdity than that propounded by most systems of philosophy in declaring evil to be negative in its character. Evil is just what is positive; it makes its own existence felt. Leibnitz is particularly concerned to defend this absurdity; and he seeks to strengthen his position by using a palpable and paltry sophism.1 It is the good which is negative; in other words, happiness and satisfaction always imply some desire fulfilled, some state of pain brought to an end. 1 Translator’s Note, cf. Thèod, §153.— Leibnitz argued that evil is a negative quality — i.e., the absence of good; and that its active and seemingly positive character is an incidental and not an essential part of its nature. Cold, he said, is only the absence of the power of heat, and the active power of expansion in freezing water is an incidental and not an essential part of the nature of cold. The fact is, that the power of expansion in freezing water is really an increase of repulsion amongst its molecules; and Schopenhauer is quite right in calling the whole argument a sophism.] This explains the fact that we generally find pleasure to be not nearly so pleasant as we expected, and pain very much more painful. The pleasure in this world, it has been said, outweighs the pain; or, at any rate, there is an even balance between the two. If the reader wishes to see shortly whether this statement is true, let him compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is engaged in eating the other. The best consolation in misfortune or affliction of any kind will be the thought of other people who are in a still worse plight than yourself; and this is a form of consolation open to every one. But what an awful fate this means for mankind as a whole! We are like lambs in a field, disporting themselves under the eye of the butcher, who chooses out first one and then another for his prey. So it is that in our good days we are all unconscious of the evil Fate may have presently in store for us — sickness, poverty, mutilation, loss of sight or reason. No little part of the torment of existence lies in this, that Time is continually pressing upon us, never letting us take breath, but always coming after us, like a taskmaster with a whip. If at any moment Time stays his hand, it is only when we are delivered over to the misery of boredom.

  4. the argument is that hopeful ptx of change conceals current suffering


    Pozo 9
    (ANTONIO GUTIÉRREZ, Filozofická fakulta, Sevilská univerzita, Sevilla, Španielsko POZO, A. G.: Utopia in Black: The Negative Aesthetics of Adorno and the Contemporary Black Art, FILOZOFIA 64, 2009, No 5, p. 481-6)--mm

    In opinion of Adorno the essential danger resides in that the social system identifies everything with itself, homogenizes everything and integrates it in itself, repressing all that denies it, keeping the pain silent. To dominate is to silence, to remove the word to the negative thing. To the integration through the silence. The system of horror does not want to be recognized as such and it wants to hide the proofs. The critic’s key element is art, because art, Adorno writes down, is “the world for second time” (AT 208). Art is then a place of transgressions, is another thing regarding the bourgeois modern world. Therefore, “there is nothing in art, even being the most sublime one, that does not come from the world; not even anything that has not been transfigured” (AT 208). This ‘second world’ of art presents a negative –critical- tendency against the first one. The definitive feature of the aesthetics according to Adorno is criticism, the resistance and the protest against what it is. “The works of art are negative a priori” (AT 201). To understand art it is necessary to see it in negative relationship with the reality.5 The authentic work of art is a revolution (Revolte) in itself, so that “a conservative work of art is a contradiction in terms in itself” (AT 13, 264, 303, 339). The polemic character a priori of art is due do its own artistic nature. Its (critic) social function resides then in maintaining its aesthetic autonomy, its immanent difference with the real6: “The comforting of the big works of art is less in what they say (aussprechen) that in the fact that they were able to be pulled up of the existence” (MM 253). But not the whole current art is critic, resistance. Only the radical art is so. Adorno points out that there is also an art that “in a infantile way is happy with the colours (Matisse?), a colourist and happy art (heitere Kunst) (AT 65-6), an art that adopts the attitude of comfort and narcotic before the blackened empiric reality by means of the false beautification of the world. Following the precept that ‘mundus vult decipi’ (AT 34, 350), it intends to improve the appearance of the horrible real world from its colourist world, but only a naïve person, Adorno adds, can believe possible that the discoloured and disenchanted world recovers its colours from art (AT 66). There is also an art that – like the idealistic concept-serves to the dominion, a art entkünstet, that has lost its artistic character, its critical capacity (AT 32-4), and that serves to the same end: to silence and to sterilize the pain. The ideological character of this art reaches its maximum expression with the cultural industry (Kulturindustrie) that is not but the reproduction to great scale of that colourist art, transforming it in a gigantic dominion machinery: while we console ourselves of the black historical reality with the false colourist beauty of this art, we conceal the reality of the existent thing, we legitimate it and we leave it just as it is. The conversion of art in consumption object by the cultural industry coincides with its reduction to pure diversion, what supposes the suspension of its critical and utopian power (DA 152). It promises ‘di-version’, that is, escape, evasion, but this promise is the mask of its ideological character as instrument of the dominion. Really, Adorno writes down, “escape art, escape movies are abhorrent not because they turn their back to a discoloured existence but because they do not do that with enough energy”, so that, “the escape is all a message. The message seems just the opposite, what wants to escape to escape from the flight (Flucht)” (MM 228). Diversion (Vergnügen) is flight, but not of the negative reality but of the “last resistance thought” that becomes agitated against that situation (DA 167). The diversion, far from escaping from this disenchanted world, it affirms it; it is what is most committed with the exploitation and the dominion. The message that the flight carries with itself really means ‘to be in agreement’: diversion is to collaborate, to forget the suffering, to abandon criticism (DA 167, 181). As Pascal7, Adorno conceives diversion like a mask, like turning one’s back before reality not to face the real problems face to face, in sum, as a closing in false of the wounds, what impedes to man the possibility to solve them in a more appropriate way: utopia. The diversion is the opposite side to the suffering conscience, the conscience that is nurtured of blood that flows from a wounded reality; the message of diversion is the suppression of the conscience of pain, the only way to salvation. This is the aesthetic hedonism that Adorno condemns. This cheerful and charming art that forgets and conceals horrors, is an injustice against “the deads and the accumulated pain and without word (akkumulierten und sprachlosen Schmerz)” (AT 66). Adorno assumes those verses of Brecht in which it is prohibited for our time an art that does not want to realize of horror: “What kind of times are they, where / a talk about trees is almost a crime / because it implies silence about so many horrors!” (AT 66). The poetry that has become impossible after Auschwitz, for being barbarian (KG 30), is the colourist poetry. For this reason Adorno has written that “maybe it has been false to say that after Auschwitz it can no longer be possible to write poems” (ND 355). They can be written, whenever they are black poems!. In this sombre time, an art that has lost all evidence (Selbstverständlichkeit) and legitimacy (AT 9-10), is art as embellishment, the ideological art that conceals and justifies the current reality.

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  5. Ok that rashad evans has some large context that people miss out. From what i have for  have heard this is a piece of salt from when a white man could teach black nihslim well meanwhile his lab had issues learning the arguement dont read this if you need this look into noppers - where the warrants arent bashing debaters of color


    no shade but

    1. rashad isn't white you idiot do you even have any idea who this guy is? educate yourself he won CEDA and coached emporia state to unite the crowns clearly you don't know what you are talking about

    2. he's not bashing debaters of color - his argument is that white people involved in reading an argument about STRUCTURAL ANTIBLACK RACISM is a double turn, clearly his argument is the opposite

    3. Tamara Nopper has a similar argument but not contextualized to DEBATE which is what OP talked about

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  6. in the interests of opensource

    here is an answer to that agument 


    Wilderson 8 (Frank, “Biko and the Problematic of Presence,” in Biko Lives!: Contesting the Legacies of Steve Biko, p. 102)

    Even if these White radicals had been persuaded by Biko and Black Consciousness that the essential nature of the antagonism was not capitalism but anti-Blackness (and no doubt some had been persuaded), they could not have been persuaded to organize in a politically masochistic manner; that is, against the concreteness of their own communities, their own families, and themselves, rather than against the abstraction of “the system”—the targetless nomenclature preferred by the UDF. Political masochism would indeed be ethical but would also bring them to the brink of the abyss of their own subjectivity. They would be embarking upon a political journey the trajectory of which would not simply hold out the promise of obliterating class relations and establishing an egalitarian socius (what less articulate and more starry-eyed White activists in the United States refer to as “vision”), but they would be embarking upon a journey whose trajectory Frantz Fanon called “the end of the world.”22 The “new” world that class-based political “vision” is predicated on (i.e., the dictatorship of the proletariat) isn’t new in the sense that it ushers in an unimaginable episteme; it is really no more than a reorganization of Modernity’s own instruments of knowledge. But a world without race, more precisely, a world without Blackness, is truly unimaginable. Such a world cannot be accomplished with a blueprint of what is to come on the other side. It must be undone because, as Biko, Fanon, and others have intimated, it is unethical, but it cannot be refashioned in the mind prior to its undoing. A political project such as this, whereby the only certainty is uncertainty and a loss of all of one’s coordinates, is not the kind of political project Whites could be expected to meditate on, agitate for, theorize, or finance. And though it might not be the kind of project that Blacks would consciously support, it is the essence of the psychic and material location of where Blacks are. Caught between a shameful return to liberalism and a terrifying encounter with the abyss of Black “life”— caught, that is, between liberalism and death—some White activists took up the banner of socialism, others espoused a vague but vociferous anti-apartheidism, and most simply worked aimlessly yet tirelessly to fortify and extend the interlocutory life of “the ANC’s long-standing policy of deferring consideration of working class interests . . . until after national liberation had been achieved.”23

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  7. not saying i agree or disagree but here is the arg 


    Evans 15 (Rashad, debate god, "On Flipping Aff & Being Black," July 31 2015, http://www.rwesq.com/on-flipping-aff-being-black/

    Afropessimism is nothing if not an affirmation of blackness.  It includes a negation of the world, but it is principally an affirming argument.  For Black people.  A white afropessimist makes no senseWhite afropessimism is just anti-blackness.  If you are a white afro-pessimist you should understand that your existence is complicit in violence against Black people and/or that your non-existence is a necessity to Black liberationUnder no circumstances should you understand your role to be to spread the gospel of pessimism furtherYour engagement with the argument will always be theoretical (you have no relevant experience), redundant (you can never be additive to this conversation) and objectifying (reducing black people to objects of study).  Afropessimism is an argument about why Black people should be the the subjects of the the debate.  It is about how Black people are always already the subject of all debates but excluded from them as such.  It is not about white people.

    All of this assumes that we are taking the argument seriously and not speaking in metaphorical terms, something Eve Tuck warns against in the context of settler colonialism.  Both the Settler Colonialism and Black Nihilism arguments rely significantly on Fanon.  And Fanon’s main point is that the native/colonialist and/or black/white cannot coexist.  In practical terms, this meant that Black liberation in Africa required a violent war to the end.  It’s an either/or life or death choice for both sides.  But, understanding that anti-black violence is foundational is to understand that you have to fight back in literal terms.  To end the world is to end the world.  I am not certain that debaters fully understand the implications of such.  If the students in my lab understood this they would have found the Black Nihilism argument as difficult as the Settler Colonialism argument.  But they did not, partially because they were introduced to the argument from the perspective of Gramsci and a theory of civil society and not from Fanon and everyday anti-Black violence, but also because I didn’t take the time to explain the argument fully.  Under no circumstances should non-Black debaters be taught to advocate for afro-pessimism from a non-Black person.  And under no circumstances should two white boys think they have a better shot flipping negative and running afropessimism than reading their own Aff (something I had to explain before a quarters debate at the camp tournament).  When that happens something has gone wrong.

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  8. hi all


    please pm me if you have the death k 


    not interested in fear of death / lanza etc., only want the real shit


    have blocked out college quality berlant / framework / agamben / security / various reps critique files to trade, tell me what you want





  9. Topicality

    If surveillance isn't being conducted by law enforcement, then who truly operates it?

    The Bowling ev draws a distinction between the NSA and FBI who monitor the general population in order to identify anomalies in patterns ie. if I send an email with certain words I will be watched more closely, versus law enforcement investigations which already suspect a crime being committed and investigate it further.

    Did you bring any voters or was that part of your grounds, extra-T, etc.?

    ? T is a voting issue to set the best interpretation of the topic, the standards debate impacts that out



    Can you explain your Kritik in your own words?

    The simulation of legal reform is used as evidence of the West's self-reflexivity which sidelines questions of its legitimacy. The impact is limitless violence. The alternative is a communal response to that surveillance which questions the legitimacy of the state and refuses its justifications of 'security' and 'protection.' 

    Define "necropolitics"?

    When sovereignty is explicitly concerned with choosing disposable populations to eliminate. 

    What's the link to the case?

    There are multiple, I will expound on them a bit in the block

    -legalism link - comaroff discusses how all the tribunals in the West post-colonialism are used as guilt assuasion to strengthen the legitimacy of lawfare

    -state focus link - smith discusses how a focus on curtailing state surveillance elides a focus on the state itself and the colonial, patriarchal logics that structure it

    -tech focus link - puar discusses how a focus on top down panoptic surveillance ignores how technology has become communal and intimate, these networks of control contribute to militarism

    -national security reform link - glennon discusses how the aff is a lot like the fbi trials of the 70s - it doesn't really shift power around in the intelligence apparatus but it gives the illusion of reform to prevent public inquiry

    -democracy link - kiely discusses how the us has never been committed to democracy, only to exploitation, and the diamond ev's strong claims about democracy create a good v. evil struggle which causes conflict

    -progress link - wilderson discusses how ending one form of police surveillance is used to further a nationalist narrative of progress but leaves the positionality of the black as slave intact

    and then of course schlag - who says any 2ac simulation offense has no impact because the arguments we make here are insulated

    How does our plan lead to, "a permanent battle-space, continues violent exploitation of the global South"?

    that kind of begs the question of the links which i outlined above

    What does your Alt solve for?

    we make a competitive argument about how we as individuals and communities can solve the case while also curtailing the state, smith ev is really fantastic on this question 



    How does democratic peace lead to structural violence?

    the idea countries will model our democratic norms hides the way we are responsible for a lot of the autocracy and violence of the world - kiely ev

    Your Glennon 14 card, which officials are being granted "legitimacy"? What is that stating about our plan?

    the 70s trial example i talked about above really speaks to the way single issue reforms don't address a broken system but make it more insidious

    Explain your Schlag 13 card?

    schlag in *3, in short he says that no policy education as a result of this debate we garner matters

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    Your Fakhoury ev says that local & state police/law enforcement are using Stingray. Do you have any evidence that indicates the federal government is using Stingray?


    If you are so concerned about surveillance, why not turn off your cellphone?


    Why does it matter that the government can find you if companies are already tracking you?


    Your Courtright/Diamond evidence is about global democracy. Why does addressing the Fourth Amendment in the U.S. spillover?


    Advantage 2 

    Your Calabrese and Fulton ev says 

    In just one year, Sprint Nextel provided law enforcement agencies with the specific whereabouts of its customer more than 8 million times without requiring a warrant or probable cause.

    How does the plan stop companies giving over the information?


    The Supreme Court has ruled that warrantless searching of cell phones is unconstitutional. Why doesn't this solve the aff?

  11. have to trade:


    k of stands

    k of popped collars

    k of white boys

    k of flowing

    k of you

    k of the universe

    k of existence

    and the 400 page heidegger file (with new, never before read evidence)




    deleuzoschizorhizomal deconstruction ressentiment simulcra k of econ impacts

    scholars critical of critical critics of critical amoeba theory

    the (de)constructive (pro)rebuttal k

    death is something your mom made up to scare you k

    becoming majority of the becoming in the american becoming coming of the end of the becoming k

    and cap

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  12. When teams aren't topical, they deserve to have framework read against them. Read Historical materialism with that. You don't need specific strats to beat teams. if you have a good T version of the aff and maybe one or two link cards tops to marx. you should be ready to tell them to get out of the activity


    Putin approves.
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  13. deontology: instead of judging whether something you did had good or bad consequences, it judges the action on whether it conforms to certain rules. ex: killing someone is wrong (always), even if it occurs in self-defense, because you killed someone and it fell under that rule. 


    epistemology: a system of knowing/understanding the world. science is one, religion is another, they are different ways of explaining the same thing. a scientific "epistemology" tells us to look for evidence, develop a hypothesis, and based on results find a theory. a religious "epistemology" tells us to believe in our own spiritual sense and our religion's beliefs. 


    ontology: the study of existence. when used in debate, it tends to try and describe a broad system of knowledge and concurrent power. for example, the ontology of the national security complex (discussed by security K authors) is one in which (arguably) threats are constructed and hyped because said 'ontology' (justification, understanding, nature of existence) perceives people we don't fully understand as dangerous and therefore someone we are bound to fight with. 


    i'd watch John Turner's lecture on Ks if you have time, it's at:

    (general Ks)

    (ocean Ks pt. 1)

    (ocean Ks pt. 2)


    if you are having trouble answering Ks, openevidence has a lot of great free evidence you can download. generally, you want to extend a framework, make a permutation, make impact defense, and make some offensive alt answers.


    Ks are a very broad set of arguments, but in general you can conceptualize them as linear DAs (ie are non-UQ descriptions of something bad in the squo that the AFF makes worse) which are given uniqueness by an alternative, which argues that it can resolve this systematic problem. for ex, the cap k talks about the economic system of capitalism, how an AFF subscribes to said ideology, why that is bad, and how we can end capitalism. 


    anything more specific you're curious about?

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    then just do the line by line

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  15. Edit: coolbeans. sorry, i just got sort of ranty. i'll up another one of ur posts <3


    Umm idk... Neuroscience?
    No addict has a subconscious that is making them take drugs, this is junk/bunk. Educate yourselves about the science of addiction and brain chemistry/higher dopamine levels, don't spew offensive BS about addiction and expect people to believe it


    Not offhand, but its fairly winnable analytically.  Assuming you're talking about the subconscious, its difficult to explain contradictions between desires and meta-desires with any model of the psyche as a unified entity.  For example, if there was no subconscious, why couldn't an addict, who both desired the addictive substance and desired not to desire that same substance, simply decide to stop desiring it?

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