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Ayyash

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  1. Dumbtarded. :( I had a view of the area from St. Georges, up to Bigallo Gulch road overlooking fred meyers by mead and saw very few. So now I'm just really suspicious of my neighbors...

    Where are you, on that little bluff thingie?


  2. Spokane lit off a total of maybe 12 fireworks. Dirty brit loving tea drinkers. Thomas Jefferson just rolled over in his grave.

    I was up in between northport and kettle falls lighting off a crud load of fireworks. Plus i bet a bunch of people were not to keen on fireworks after what happened by long lake.


  3. obviously that is the case, however I was merely indicating that the people who really want to win debate rounds (Wilson Faust) are at camp already for 4 weeks also I was indicating that some people are already at camp answering Shakleford's question on how peoples summer is going

    That and the fact my parents wont let me do the 4-week.


  4. I had the mistake of leaving it in my teachers classroom, so when i came back, written on it by the dumbass 9th grade english class wrote "chads book box" on it (chad being the debate coach), so the mighty talking box (see below) was defaced forever, or at least 'till i muster up the energy to paint over it.

    I'll try to get some batteries for the digital camera so i can show you the sheer horror of it all.


  5. uh. please elaborate.

    I Reeeealy dont want to get into this with you guys again, but here goes, Egypt acheived all goals and israel suffered far more substantial losses then egypt. There, now that thats said, i'm say no more in the intrest of keeping this thread on topic.


  6. I say "ham", its the nickname given to an ex-partners(debate that is) little sister by a friend, but the ex-partner says he never remembers it.

     

    Our cat is simply called cat. We thought it would die so we never gave it a propper name, but it managed to live whereas its sister got picked up by an owl or other such animal.


  7. Ok, i know some people support israel, but this is just ridiculous

     

    Palestine is the name given to the land of Israel by the Romans and others in order to deny that the land belongs to the Jews

     

    Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter has criticed the United States and Israel for not recognizing the victory of the terrorist organization, Hamas, in parliamentary elections and a violent takeover of the Gaza Strip in which Fatah had been routed

     

    One of the names for this region over the years has been "Palestine," but that name never referred to a sovereign country. However this is the case prior to the creation of any state. Those who use this point in order to undermine the Palestinians claim to the land their ancestors have lived in for many generations never seem to apply this argument to any other Arab country that has been recently created, or any country for that matter

     

    Also, under the "Israel" page, the links/sources consists of... (keep in mind this is verbatim)

    -Internet jewish history sourcebook

    -Welcome to Israel (for kids)

    -Ways to support israel

     

    And then the page about the Iraq war is horrible, it is just so sad that people actually believe that stuff.


  8. As far as my memory went, I could only think of one, but I decided to check their website. According to their website, just the one at Northpointe.

    I ride my bike over there all the time now that i tried it.

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  9. On genocide, both groups, (HAMAS and Israel) both advocate 'genocide' of each other, Hamas has it in the charter as you so eagerly pointed out, however in Israel, there is a systimatic effort to dehumanize palestinians, and drive them off the land by force. On the issue of dehuminization, this occurs through forcing all palestinian-israelis to wear a special ID card identifying them as such, and drive with special liscense plate identifying them as such. Let us not forget Meir's famous quote about what more are palestinians then beasts on two legs. Also Israel forcfully takes land from farmers (in a direct breach of the geneva conventions, and gived it to religious zealots who then carry around automatic weapons and shoot at palestinian towns, in 'response' to gunmen who never materialize, and the settelers are then never punished by israeli law, unless you consider community service punishment for pistol-whipping an 11-year old to death. Also, Israel excersises a policy of continued deportation with regards to well, pretty much everyone.

     

    On the whole legitamacy of the state, we cannot hold them as the same, the geneva conventions have seperate laws, but still as strong for non-state actors as those in the OT. We must treat them seperatly b/c they are seperate and Israel is not engaged in a state of "Total War" which means you are fighting for your survival and hence, anything and everything goes. However Israel is not in a state of "Total War" in its occupation of the territories, and so it held to higher standards. This is a perfectly legitimate policy i may add.

    On the last post, there is only infighting, fatah only stands because of israeli and western aid, like i said before, if the two sides were supported equally, then HAMAS would be in total control of the goverment. And of a land that is not even theirs? How dare you say that, what country was created out of an arab majority and had to have millions come from all around the world to build a demographic majority. Before 1948, Palestine was an Arab territory, and it still should be an arab country.


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    First of all, Israel wanted this to happen, at least earlier. As far back as the 1980s Israel secretly funded Hamas hoping they would start inner fighting. Israel knows they could crush any threat that comes there way from Islamic militants in the territories but don't want to deal with the international/internal ramifications. This act by Hamas has destabilized the region and effectively set back any chance of statehood by decades. No serious Western country will take the notion of a Palestinian state seriously now. They have an autonomous government funded by the International community (mostly Israel and the US) and they couldn't take care of themselves.

    I'll agree with the first part about the secret funding. I'll even go so far as to say that the actions may have set the timeframe back, in the short run. But only in the short run. If fatah was always in power, then true peace would never have existed. The PA would always be a proxy of the IDF, Israel would always have control over water, land, air rights in the OT. In short palestinians would always have existed as occupied without rights. However, by hamas forcing israel to truly recognize palestine as a autonomous entity, only then can the attaining of rights begin.

     

     

    If you truly supported the rights of Palestinians you wouldn't support this disgusting intra-insurrection. You would hope that they would realize they are all on the same side of the boat and they have common interests. What exactly does Hamas overthrowing the PLO and claiming control of the territories accomplish? A lot of death, a lot of anger and an Israel that looks more necessary to "police" the area than ever before?

    Yes, i fully agree that in the short term, israel may crack down harder on the territories, and more people will die. However, like i said above, it is the long term that matters. When the world continually sees pictures like that of faris odeh and mohammed al-durra, the palestinians gain international sympathy, and the whold world, besides of course, america are seeing those pictures and are comiserating with the palestinian david vs. the israeli goliath, even if that is not taking into account palestinian terror. And because of the terror attacks, a large portion of israelis are now pushing for disengagment from the occupies territories. Whether we like it or now, terrorism is an effective tool for policy change by those entities (i.e. hamas) who have no other viable alternative.

     

    As for the notion of a two-state solution. After these attacks, are you mad? What would be accomplished now by a two-state solution? The Palestinians would tear each other apart. They have no economy and no prospects for an economy to form. If Israel left them be they would continue fighting Israel, continue getting poorer and continue suffering. Shove your pathetic leftist pity aside and think rationally. You're telling a bunch of people with no tools to go out and build an automaton. Good luck.

    Now that is ridiculous, the economy is bad b/c of israels subjugation and curfews. Do you think britain should not have withdrawn from its colonies because the colonies had no economies besides that of mercantilism. No. And it is obvious that the majority of the people support hamas, it is only through israel and america helping out fatah, can they even begin to start. Notice in all the videos, hamas is using russian weapons, while fateh is using american buit m-16's.

     

    If you want a two state solution you would need Israel to be involved for decades helping the Palestinians be ready for a state. Oslo gave them an autonomous state - corruption, inner-fighting, poverty and religious extremism tore that regime apart. Education breeds wealth and wealth breeds peace. If you want peace you need Israel to help build up their economy.

    The oslo accords were a joke, nothing more, under that israel would still retain rights over, private israeli roads, all border crossings (exclusively), water rights, and air rights, and still have lots of control over internal politics, autonomy.

     

    I'll have to answer the rest later.


  11. that is an absurdly simplistic view of what was involved in the creation of israel.

     

    i love how most people here will back any nationalistic movement no matter how genocidal or backwards but balk at consideration of israel.

    First hamas is not nationalistic, but that is hardly important.

    Secondly, i find it ironic that you call hamas genocidal when the ration of dead israelis to palestinians is 8-1. I find it funny how everyone is using the term 'genocide' to describe the actions of the palestinians when many more of them are killed then israelis.


  12. I'm somewhat pro Israel, but I'm Jewish, so I'm not biased or anything.

    That being said, I've tried to divorce my predispositions and look at the situation as objectively as I can. And I think when one looks at the situation objectively, it's very difficult to take sides, because both sides have done terrible things, which is why I'm not entirely sure what should be done.

    The Jews have been screwed over enough that they probably deserve a state . . . or something. But Israel probably shouldn't have been created under the circumstances it was, ie kicking a whole bunch of other people off their land. The Palestinians, however, have handled their grievances quite often in very unreasonable ways, and the Israelis have responded with unreasonable violence. Now I'm not sure I can be pro either of them.

    I really think, then, that a two state solution is best. And I'm afraid that might be impossible.

    Wow, that is a remarkably well informed point of view i more-or-less agree with.

     

    At betty, how would you feel if you were promised a country after years of colonialism, and then, because of something someone did on another continent, you had half your land taken away from you and given to the people who had been bombing the british for years. If i were the arabs, i'd be pretty darned pissed off.

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