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  1. Our tournament is now open for registration.




    Here are the highlights:


    The tournament dates are Oct. 13-16, 2011 with registration on Thursday night and competition in all events starting Friday morning.


    We will resume offering Public Forum debate after a 2 year hiatus. Our PF tabroom will be led by Dr. Minh A. Luong.


    Tim Case will lead our LD tabroom. Dan Lingel will return as the head of our CX tabroom.


    In policy debate for speaker points we will return to a 30 point system allowing tenth points.


    Fees are due September 15, 2011.


    All of this is explained on our jot website but if you have any questions feel free to email me.






    Tim Mahoney

    Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas

    10600 Preston Road

    Dallas, TX 75230

    214-346-8141 office

    214-734-3673 cell

  2. The 2010 edition of the Round Up will be hosted on May 7 and 8. It's open for registration on jot.




    Let me know if you have any questions.




    Tim Mahoney

    Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas

    10600 Preston Road

    Dallas, TX 75230

    email: pacedebate@aol.com

    214-346-8141 office

    214-734-3673 cell

    425-740-9130 fax

  3. Almost any open varsity tournament counts. The reason more tournaments don't show up is because the tournament directors haven't sent in their data. If you are trying to qualify you can just send me your records and I'll figure out your points manually.


    Tim Mahoney

    Director, 2010 NDCA Championships

  4. The joy of tournaments website is now open for entries.



    Tournament participants will be determined using the following qualification procedures:


    Policy debate and public forum debate competition is considered a team activity. A team is comprised of two individuals from the same degree granting institution.


    Debaters registering for the NDCA Championships will automatically be placed on a waiting list until they achieve qualifying status, as detailed below.


    The Public Forum division of the NDCA Championships will accept up to sixty teams. Any team that has reached elimination rounds in varsity competition will be eligible to enter the tournament. Schools may enter up to four teams and put additional teams on the waiting list. After March 15 teams will be released from the waiting list until the tournament is full.

    Once a policy team or LD'r is on the waiting list the tournament director will review their points earned using the NDCA points database.

    You can view your debaters points earned in preliminary competition so far this year by going to http://ndca.joyoftournaments.com/.

    Policy teams and LD'rs will be released off the waiting list immediately if they have earned at least 300 points and if they apply prior to March 15 and until 75 teams have been admitted to the tournament. The application deadline is April 1. On April 1 an additional 53 entries in each event will be released from the waiting list even if some of those applicants don’t have 300 points. Applications will be accepted, regardless of point total, after April 1 until there is 128 entries in each event or until the Monday preceding the start of the tournament whichever comes first. The list entries will be made publicly available.


    Virtually any tournament can count toward qualification. If there is a tournament not included in your students points earned so far this year please contact NDCA Championships tournament director, Tim Mahoney, at pacedebate@aol.com




    A policy team may apply even if they haven’t debated together previously or if they haven’t debated at five tournaments together. In this instance each individuals best five tournaments regardless of partner are counted, then divided by two, and then the two individual scores are added together to create the team point total.


    The policy team with the highest point total using this qualification system that attends the NDCA Championships will be awarded The David P. Baker Award for Season Long Excellence. To be considered for this award a team must have debated together at all five tournaments used for qualification.



    The Lincoln-Douglas debater with the highest point total using the qualification system that attends the NDCA Championships will be awarded The Patricia Bailey and Marilee Dukes Cup for Season Long Excellence.




    If you have any questions feel free to email me.




    Tim Mahoney

    Director, 2010 NDCA Championships

    Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas

    10600 Preston Road

    Dallas, TX 75230


    214-734-3673 cell

    425-740-9130 fax


  5. Here is the Top 10 list from last year. One caveat: this is a list of the Top 10 teams who planned to attend the NDCA Championships. Prior to the work that Brent at joyoftournaments did it was a nightmare to figure everyone's points so unless people submitted their spreadsheets we didn't bother to figure their points.


    Colleyville Heritage High School Evan DeFilippis - James Hamraie 1552

    Stratford Academy William Karlson - Brian Cole 1357

    Cathedral Prep Leo Hayes - Mike Carlotti 1312

    St. Mark's School of Texas Alex Katz - Jordan Blumenthal 1303

    Bishop Guertin HS Chris Power - Katryna Cadle 1122

    Groves High School Sophia Goren - Maya Bhardwaj 1111

    Damien High School Andres Gannon - Trevor Chenoweth 1014

    Woodward Academy Evan Matthews - Brittany Nehman 1008

    Glenbrook North High School Debbie Oh - Lucy Zhu 879

    Lakeland District Debate Jason Wright - Taylor Roth 873

  6. The website for the NDCA Championships has been opened.


    The 2009 tournament hosts will be the University of Nevada Las Vegas, the forensics programs of Clark County and Ted W. Belch. The tournament will offer 7 preliminary rounds of competition in one open division of policy debate, one open division of Lincoln-Douglas debate and one open division of Public Forum debate.. The tournament will be held on April 18-20, 2009.


    You can register at:




    This year you will not have to submit spreadsheets. The qualification procedure is essentially the same but we now have a database that helps calculate your students points. A full description of the process is available on the website and if you have questions feel free to contact me.




    Tim Mahoney

    Director, 2009 NDCA Championships

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  7. Brent Hinkle (of joyoftournaments.com) has done a LOT of work to create a database that allows you to search by school, judge, or team. It will then show you, for example, every debate "Mahoney, Tim" has judged this year and the results from those debates. It can also search by school or debaters individual name. It's very similar to the college "debateresults.com". Brent has also been working on getting it to figure the points for The Baker award that the NDCA gives at the end of the year to recognize season long excellence and so at the bottom of each tournament for a given team it shows the number of points a team earned toward qualifying for the NDCA tournament and toward winning The Baker.


    What we really need now is for tournaments to send in their data. Basically, the tab room just needs to send their TRPC data to brent@joyoftournaments.com

    Right now I think we just have Newman Smith, Grapevine, Wake, and Greenhill.


    This is already a pretty neat development but it would be really awesome if completed tournaments would send in their data. Anything you can do to help tournament directors send in their TRPC data would be greatly appreciated.


    You can check the site out at: http://ndca.joyoftournaments.com/school.asp?evt=CX




    Tim Mahoney

    Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas

    NDCA Board Member

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  8. Ballots and results are now available on joyoftournaments at:



    Top 5 Speakers


    1. Anna Dimitrrijervic - Carrollton Sacred Heart

    2. Kiersten Strachan - Clear Lake

    3. Joel Diamond - Jesuit

    4. Jacob Wikman - St. Mark's

    5. Albert Yau - Clear Lake





    Carrollton Sacred Heart Dimitrrijervic and Scmiedt (aff) wins on a 3-0 over Jesuit/St. Mark's Fellwock and Batra



    Jesuit McCormick and Diamond (neg) wins on a 3-0 over Hebron Lucas and Pinto




    Carrollton Sacred Heart Dimitrrijervic and Scmiedt vs Jesuit McCormick and Diamond

  9. Registration for the 2008 Novice Round Up to be held at St. Mark's is now open at:




    This year it will be held on May 9 and 10 (Friday and Saturday).


    We usually attract a diverse field of competitors that include some of the best novices in the country but also students with less experience. Each school is invited to bring up to 4 teams until we reach our limit of 32 teams.


    Let me know if you have any questions.




    Tim Mahoney

    Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas

    10600 Preston Road

    Dallas, TX 75230


    214-734-3673 cell

    425-740-9130 fax

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  10. Below is the list of teams that are currently entered in the NDCA Championships. If you aren't entered and think you should be one of two things has probably happened either you haven't sent in your spreadsheet proving you have the requisite qualifying points or you haven't tried to enter via joy of tournaments. If you need a copy of the spreadsheet or have other questions feel free to email me directly at pacedebate@aol.com.


    Team School

    Abigail Watts - Daniel Watkins Barstow School

    Chris Power - Katryna Cadle Bishop Guertin HS

    Mitch Hagney - Christian Steckler Bishop Guertin HS

    Grace Labriola - Ivan Kygaba Canton Central Catholic

    Leo Hayes - Mike Carlotti Cathedral Prep

    Evan DeFilippis - James Hamraie Colleyville Heritage High School

    Andres Gannon - Trevor Chenoweth Damien High School

    Ian Nelson - Reid Ehrlich-Quinn Damien High School

    Harsh Jhaveri - Ben Chang Edgemont HS

    Sam Gelb - Abhinav Shrestha Edgemont HS

    Tyler Boykin - Chris Mair Ft. Lauderdale HS

    Robin Gray - Sasha Sabherwal Fullerton Union High School

    Winston Luo - Grant Peretz Glenbrook South High School

    Colin Quinn - Alec Zimmer Glenbrook South High School

    Mara Koulogeorge - David Han Glenbrook South High School

    Will Thibeau - Richard Day Glenbrook South High School

    Brad Meloche - Alan Gocha Groves High School

    Nicholas Moenck - Mimi Karabulut Groves High School

    Sophia Goren - Maya Bhardwaj Groves High School

    John Hill - Gabriel Nunez-Lafontaine Jesuit College Prep

    Sean O'Brien - Rich Graham Jesuit College Prep

    Basil Siddiqui - Mahjeed Marrow Jesuit High School

    Jason Wright - Taylor Roth Lakeland District Debate

    Jeffrey Boxer - Rachel Logan Lexington High School

    Jenna Lempesis - David Sterman Lexington High School

    Nadia Hassan - Pranav Mahadevan Marist School

    jonathan libgober - misha slavin oak park - river forest

    adam pearce - scott marchi oak park - river forest

    David Gritz - Angela Dai Pennsbury High School

    Emily Owens - Sara Simonis Perry High School

    Sanjay Sharma - Aakash Gupta Portage Northern H.S.

    Patrick Elwell - Nathan Walczuk Saint Ignatius

    Laurel Mills - Timothy Knoedler Sheboygan North H.S.

    Alex Katz - Jordan Blumenthal St. Mark's School of Texas

    Kelly Del Curto - Ryan Blais St. Vincent De Paul High School

    William Karlson - Brian Cole Stratford Academy

    William Rains - Nick Honegger Tampa Preparatory School

    Justin Blau - Ryan Saxe The Meadows School

    Jeremy Selesner - Bobby Kim The Meadows School

    Lee Reed - John Trevino Walter Payton College Prep

    Charlie Curran - Tim Bingham Walter Payton College Prep

    Daniel Taylor - Angela Guo Westminster Schools

    Evan Matthews - Brittany Nehman Woodward Academy

    Matthew Pesce - Chris Organ Woodward Academy

  11. Heart of Texas 2007

    Judges for the Quarterfinal Round

    Judge Report Time: 8:30 AM

    Round Start Time: 9:30 AM

    Debates on Second Floor of the Westin in Salon F, D, E, A


    Tim Alderete Meadows

    Thad Blank Carrollton Sacred Heart

    Josh Branson St. Mark’s

    Josh Gonzalez Groves

    Malcolm Gordon Barstow

    Mike Greenstein New Trier

    Adam Grellinger Chattahoochee

    Aimee Hamraie Colleyville Heritage

    David Heidt Westminster

    Jenny Heidt Westminster

    James Herndon Chattahoochee

    Blake Johnson Kinkaid

    Roy Levkowitz Woodward

    Calum Matheson Glenbrook South

    Tracy McFarland Jesuit College Prep

    Eric Oddo New Trier

    Martin Osborne Missouri State

    Jonathan Paul Greenhill

    Scott Phillips Pace

    Robbie Quinn New Trier

    Varsha Ramakrishnan Stratford

    Jim Schultz West Georgia

    Nicole Serrano Montgomery Bell

    Greta Stahl Michigan State

  12. Here are my basic arguments in favor:


    Here is why I like this idea:


    1) This would decrease the value of debate institutes as evidence production machines and force them to focus more on teaching debate skills.

    2) It means that debate institutes become less mandatory. Our students who already have solid technical skills might be able to only go to camp for two or three weeks and actually do something else for the summer.

    3) It shortens the season. There should be an opportunity for a complete break from topic specific research. I can't help but believe that large component of coach burnout is related to having a year long season. Giving coaches a break for 6 weeks doesn't seem that unreasonable.





    >First, a topic being released on August 1st simply favors the schools who >have deep backfiles and lots of generics. It would benefit large programs - >hence the first though I had being Virgil, It gives kids less time to actually >research cases and case specific arguments, and forces them to rely on >the aforementioned arguments. Not every school has deep backfiles or >lots of generics.


    I'm going to call this the SBE DA. SBE as in Small But Established. There are a set of schools that might be big but underfunded, small but have a way of getting to camp and their coaches know how to help them get in and get the right lab leaders, have very little coaching support but can afford camp, etc. We could all name a few schools in this boat.

    SBE's get most, if not all, of their coaching from summer institutes. We can discuss the quality of the instruction they get but it does seem clear to me that they would be immediately impacted by a system that changed how important camps are. It's possible that summer institutes would be forced to teach students how to write their own affs.



    Check your results sheets from the major national tournaments. Elites can't dominate much more than they already are doing.



    Who would this help?


    I think there is a really good argument that this proposal would really help students who are motivated to learn about debate, write their own affs, and don't get much coaching but aren't a part of the SBE. In the status quo, most of the potential aff areas are worked on by one camp or another so the schools that can afford to send their students to camp throughout the country have a HUGE advantage over all the other schools. There is little to no advantage to writing your own aff since it is extremely unlikely that a camp somewhere hasn't already written it.




    >Second, A lot of kids go back to school in August...robbing them of >research time if they do what kids should be doing and concentrate on >the books first, debate second.


    Students wouldn't have to spend any more time researching after this proposal than they would in the future. It would, however, for the SBE make the time spent on debate more valuable.


    >Throw in the AP/IB schedule that somone already referenced and it gets >worse...and, assuming the debaters are well rounded people inolved in >many other things in their schools - try telling the football coach during >August two a days that you can't come, you need to go to the library and> research your debate topic, it would limit the ability to be involved in >other activities in the school.


    Having to commit 2-7 weeks of your summer every summer of your high school career to debate camp doesn't exactly help make students well rounded.


    >Third, It would put a whole bunch of college camps out of business, >because once August roles around colleges need to allocate the dorm >space to other activities related to their school (band camp, athletic >training camps for the school's sports team, special summer orientation >programs, early returning students, etc) and they aren't going to have >space for a couple of hundred high school kids at that point in the year.


    1) Aff outweighs

    There will be some colleges that are opposed to this policy and although I'm not unconcerned about that I wouldn't weigh this particular argument as highly as I would weigh the effects on high schools.

    2) No link - different type of camp

    Colleges can still run camps they will just have to focus more on skills than on research. A camp starting on July 23 where the first week was devoted to research skills, speaking skills, and then spent two weeks working on the topic seems like a more balanced approach that the squo.

    3) No link - handbook sales

    For colleges who have a budget dependent on a camp (is it really our duty to pay for their debate program?) they could move into evidence sales. Many camps are already nothing more than evidence factories. If that's what it's about then lets just make the system more transparent and pay directly for the evidence instead of pretending students go to camp to get better at debate.



    Duane, also implied that the fact that I come from a school with a long debate tradition that I'm biased and only looking out for the "large schools". It's reasonable to be skeptical. Although I think my breakdown of the SBE is pretty balanced.

    It should also be noted that I make a fair amount of money over the summer right now that I probably won't be able to make if this proposal passes.

    Do i think this proposal would help my students? Of course. Do I think that it will create a significant competitive advantage for my students over other schools? No. I think things will stay about the same. This proposal helps us because I'm paid full time to teach debate classes and coach the team. I will have time to help my students to research. This proposal hurts us because virtually all of my students can afford to go to camp and we have access to all the evidence produced at all of the camps. So when we debate students from schools who can't afford to go to camp we have a massive advantage over students who can't afford to go to camp or those students who are the only students from their school that go to camp and so they have a lot less camp evidence than we have.


    I think that's enough line by line for now.



  13. Here is the official post I submitted. I'll answer some of the specific arguments raised in this forum in my next post but thought I'd start with what was submitted to NFHS.


    1) Shorten the season

    The current “season” for high school debate can most appropriately be described as never ending. This past season, my students who participated at the National Forensic League’s national tournament arrived home on Thursday night and left for their summer debate institute two days later. In previous years some of my students who attended NFL nationals arrived late for their summer debate institute meaning they literally had no real break between the end of one season and the beginning of the next.

    Releasing the topic each January “allows” programs to begin working on next year’s debate topic long before the current season is over. There is an implicit pressure to start working on one topic as soon as one season ends. For many debate programs a summer institute is considered virtually mandatory even for students who have been debating since seventh grade and have already attended four or more summer workshops.

    This puts an extraordinary demand on students and teachers that, I believe, is unparalleled by any other sport or academic activity sponsored by schools.

    2) Summer Institutes

    Many, if not most, of the summer institutes have come to derive most of their value out of producing evidence. The arguments produced at these camps are seen as a virtual necessity for many students who plan to participate in debate. In fact, many of the arguments and the evidence produced at summer camps are read verbatim at season ending championships like the NFL National tournament and the Tournament of Champions. Students attend not to improve their debate skills but instead to receive a carton of evidence that they can then use throughout the year without having to do any of their own research.

    This is not to say that some institutes don’t provide real educational value. They definitely do. However, the current system is now out of balance. A topic release date of August 1 would create a strong motivation for summer institutes to focus on teaching debate skills and teaching students how to do their own research instead of teaching students how to use evidence that was prepared by others.

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  14. Semi-final results

    DH 217 Highland Park Poirot and Young (Aff) 3-0 over Stephen F. Austin Bacon and Schneider

    Judges: Larey, Garrett, Nunez

    DH 216 Little Rock Central Block and Jones (Neg) 2-1 over Bishop Guertin DiTullio and 3. Steckler vs

    Judges: Girard*, Saati, Schottlaender


    DH 216 Highland Park Poirot and Young vs Little Rock Central Block and Jones

    Judges: Garrett, Saati, Larey

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