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Everything posted by RavenDB8n4N6

  1. In the interest of caselist disclosure, which we fully support, what we are running is of little or no consequence to you since it will not affect your 1NC in any significant way.
  2. I'll give you a dollar if you start calling this post-tournament disclosure.
  3. Alex, I applaud your efforts to improve this activity (I really do), but do not be so thin-skinned when your ideas are tested in a public forum. If your ideas are good, a couple of posts from some idiot like me will hardly put a dent in your armor.
  4. Hey Felix, is this an accurate portrayal of how disclosure works? How do you feel about teams who disclose one thing and then run something completely different? What is the value of a disclosure system when teams never run what they disclosed? When someone questions the assumptions behind a disclosure system, they are, in fact, validating critiques and freedom of thought.
  5. You now know all of my arguments, and I now know all of yours. Why then am I putting my [non-respected] ass on a bus every weekend to drag kids halfway across the state to hear your [highly talented] ass read the exact same [camp evidence] you posted two weeks prior? You now know what we're going to say, and we now know what you are going to say. What is the point of attending tournaments if all the thinking is done before you get on the bus? You sure as [heck] [are] adding [quite a bit] to the text with your [amazing reading skills]. Why don't we just all stay home? Don't talk to me about spontaneity as the reason we ought to still have tournaments; that's exactly what you're trying to kill. You may [belittle] the way debate used to be, but we're the ones who did in two minutes what it takes you to do in two [hours]. [omit] . . . ok, now you can respond.
  6. You now know all of my arguments, and I now know all of yours. Why then am I putting my fat ass on a bus every weekend to drag kids halfway across the state to hear your dumb ass read the exact same crap you posted two weeks prior? You now know what we're going to say, and we now know what you are going to say. What is the point of attending tournaments if all the thinking is done before you get on the bus? You sure as hell aren't adding anything to the text with your double-clutching, your gasping, your half-bent wretching. Why don't we just all stay home. Don't talk to me about spontaneity as the reason we ought to still have tournaments; that's exactly what you're trying to kill. You may piss all over the way debate used to be, but we're the ones who did in two minutes what it takes you to do in two weeks. Have fun prepping each other out in your basements, you louts.
  7. I do indeed believe that this sets the Olathe record! Congrats to Olathe North - an excellent showing!
  8. SME did not submit a bid application to be a DCI tournament. The bid selection process includes a variety of factors such as location, tournament quality, and tournament date. We had several weekends this year for which we had only one bid application. This makes it more difficult to create an equitable and balanced annual bid list. We are pleased to welcome Valley Center and Hutch to this year's list, and we hope to see bid applications from even more new schools next year. The greater the diversity among the bid applications, the greater the diversity in the list of bid tournaments. So, if you wish there were more schools/regions/styles/judging pools just like yours on the bid list, encourage your coach to submit a bid application. If each of you created a "dream list" of bid tournaments, you might be surprised at how few of them submitted applications. Talk to your peers from other schools at camps and workshops this summer. Encourage them to talk to (not argue, not harrass, not threaten) their coaches about submitting a bid application. Here's the good news: the DCI tournament still attracts the best debaters and the best debate styles from across the state. Let's continue to make sure that the competition for bids remains as competitive as the DCI tournament itself!
  9. 2009-2010 DCI Bid Weekends Sept. 18/19 - Washburn Rural September 25/26 - Hutchinson High School October 2/3 - Olathe Northwest October 9/10 - Wichita East October 16/17 - BV West October 23/24 - BV North October 30/31 - KCKCC November 6/7 - Valley Center November 13/14 - Newton November 20/21 - Topeka High School December 4/5 - Lawrence 1. Debaters who advance to the quarterfinal round of bid division tournaments will earn one bid. 2. Debaters who advance to the final round of bid division tournaments will earn two bids. 3. Bid divisions with more than 48 teams competing in the division will offer one bid to each of the top 16 teams. 4. All national qualifiers from NFL and CFL tournaments will earn one bid.
  10. I think the answer is obvious: http://www.thebestdebater.com
  11. Manhattan wins finals on a 5-0 decision.
  12. Jared (et. al.), I have some bad news. I have to stay behind on Saturday to run a novice shin-dig. I'm going to make sure Skoglund brings the big plates, but he'll have to hide them from Ms. Burgett, so shhhh . . . don't tell ANYONE!
  13. I want to respond specifically to these two comments. First, I absolutely agree with you, Matt, about the need to level the playing field with respect to full participation without regard to social/economic boundaries. I also recognize that there is a problem in my suggestion that we uphold debate to a specific standard that many see as exclusionary. I get this, and I would be interested in working to create an outcome in which all members feel embraced (on their terms) without removing all standards in an attempt to eliminate unhealthy norms. Second, my comment about shoes and cussing is only based on my very limited experiences on the national circuit. For all intents and purposes, the actions of this coach are largely beyond reproach from me - and I do not ascribe to him any particular blame or finger pointing. Not in the least. These may seem like minor points to respond to, but I would be bothered if there remained any doubt as to my beliefs on these two topics in particular.
  14. As we continue this discussion, bear in mind that there is a substantial difference between what debate actually is versus what debate is perceived to be by outsiders (many of whom control our desity through budgets and policies). To a large extent, this means a lot of work on the surface (the way we act in rounds, the way we dress, the manner in which we conduct ourselves). To those who are temporarily in the debate community as students, it might be easy to see this as a battle worth fighting (i.e. we are right to say and do as we please in tempo with other schools and with society). However, for those among us who have dedicated our lives and our careers to this activity, it is extremely reasonable that we ask our programs to exhibit a little professional respect to get a whole lot of professional support. The success of policy debate rests largely upon the public perception that what we do somehow prepares students for a professional and civic role in society. This public perception and policy debate are inextricably linked, and the dismissal of one topples the other. Finally, I disagree that our standards for debate can be aligned and adjusted with other standards for society, athletics, and other institutions. Doing so establishes a race to the bottom. We cannot exault debate as an elevated art without attaching to it equally elevated standards.
  15. For many, many years the coaching community has quietly said to itself that if the administration ever truly understood what policy debate had evolved into, they'd shut down our programs immediately. The evidence for this is abundant in the cx forum posts, primarily regarding the culture and style of champ debate. Let me say for the record, before you throw rocks at me, that I like champ debate. The issue is not champ debate, the issue is the casual and often inappropriate culture of champ debate that has grown out of isolationism and an ever-shrinking pool of people who understand it, debate it, and judge it. The smaller that pool grows, the more familiar with each other its participants become. The danger in this is that the style of debate moves further and further away from what people outside the activity would consider appropriate and worthy of public investment. The president of the university was careful to deliniate between the firing of the coach (for his actions) and the suspension of the program (for the nature of the activity). These are two seperate incidents. One was pointed at the coach's judgement. The other one - a much more relevant and telling choice - was a reaction to the culture and community of contemporary debate. For those of you who love kritiks, you have to give a pat on the back to this university president - who, when confronted with the philosophical underpinnings of competitive debate, chose to reject the activity entirely - regardless of the outward merits of the program. For those of us who would prefer to preserve this style of debate, the continued support of our administration may be directly related to our own ability to preserve the veneer of of professionalism (like wearing shoes and not using the "F" word during rounds). This preservation needs to start immediately. Like, before September 20th. My principal has already politely and appropriately asked me to explain whether this is the style of debate that we've paid thousands of dollars to participate in. She is right for doing it. Luckily, I was wearing shoes and didn't cuss - and I relied on persuasion to make my point. We both walked away happy. I suspect that this will not be an isolated incident. This is a perfect setup for that style of journalism that attempts to expose the breadth of the problem.
  16. See, now you've joined the growing list of teachers who are keyed into PLC's (Professional Learning Communities). I'm on summer break, so I've included a definition below. It's provided primarily because I am bored, not because I think it is relevant to the lives of high school debaters. A basic definition of a PLC is a community of teachers (generally building-wide or by department) who have dedicated themselves to sharing and collaborating all resources and instruction for the purpose of elevating all of the students they teach. Students who are in AP classes are the most likely to see evidence of this when their teachers regularly reference other teachers and other classes as the source of a particular resource.
  17. If there are any of you out there who are in a possible position to take advantage of this opportunity, I strongly urge you to consider. This is a dream situation for any first year teacher. One of the smartest things I did as a young teacher was choosing to work at a 4A school where the principal was highly supportive of my program. I've only met Dr. Lundblad a couple of times, but I can tell you that she is easily one of the most effective and talented principals in Kansas, especially when it comes to PLC's (which every smart teacher should be keying into these days). If you are not currently a licensed teacher but have a degree in a field related to communication, or if you are a teacher without speech certification, there are several opportunities to apply for a conditional license. I suspect Dr. Lundblad would happily explore these opportunities with you if you contacted her. If you are a veteran teacher who is not currently under contract, this is a great opportunity. This is a great school with a great program, let's not let this program slowly die out. Josh Anderson
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  19. You are exactly correct. Every school outside of the 3rd congressional district who submitted a bid received one. Some JoCo schools, including mine, are hosting a second tournament to fill in gaps where needed. I have updated the list to include NFL/CFL qualfiers, each of whom receive one bid. Thanks for the reminder.
  20. Debate Coaches Invitational Bid Tournaments: 2008-2009 September 19th and 20th Washburn Rural High School September 26th and 27th Shawnee Mission West High School October 3rd and 4th Olathe Northwest High School October 10th and 11th Wichita East High School October 17th and 18th Blue Valley High School October 24th and 25th Blue Valley North High School October 31st and Nov. 1st Kansas City Kansas Community College November 7th and 8th Shawnee Mission East High School November 14th and 15th Newton High School November 21st and 22nd Topeka High School December 5th and 6th Maize High School December, 2008 NFL and CFL National Qualifiers each earn one bid. Bid Rules: 1. Debaters who advance to the quarterfinal round of bid tournaments will earn one bid. 2. Debaters who advance to the final round of bid tournaments will earn one additional bid. 3. Bid tournaments with more than 48 teams competing in the first round will offer one bid to each of the top 16 teams. The second bid does not move to semis – it remains at finals. 4. Upon earning two bids at any point in the season, a debater is automatically invited to the DCI Tournament on January 9th and 10th, 2008 (pending permission from his or her coach and school). 5. Debaters who attend DCI may only be partnered with another student who has also earned two bids.
  21. RavenDB8n4N6

    TOC Ruling

    To clarify, Kansas has 40% of all policy debaters in the nation (according to the NFL). Every weekend, schools in the Eastern half of the state (which is more densely populated) can choose among three or four tournaments that each offer all levels of competition and are each less than an hour or two away. When you hear Kansas folks talk about debate being 'dead' in other states, we aren't suggesting that there are not large, competitive programs in other states, but rather that regional debate has largely disappeared in other states. Consequently, debate is largely limited to programs who have - as you say - "tens of thousands of dollars to fly around the country". My own program operates on a budget of about $5,000 a year, and every single one of our 35 speech and debater students attends at least six tournaments per semester. Within a 30 minute drive from us, there are at least 20 programs with at least 50 kids who each compete at a minumum of five tournaments per semester. Additionally, we don not pay our judges, and entry fees are usually about $5.00 per team. I can send 30 kids to debate each weekend and spend less than $100 per weekend. By contrast, it would cost your school several thousand dollars in airline tickets, hotel rooms, paid judges, and entry fees to attend just one tournament - and even then only allow about six kids to compete. The truth is that our top 5% can go head-to-head with your top 90%, but doing so every weekend would largely eliminate opportunities for the remaining 95% of debaters in Kansas. It's not that we don't like the national circuit; it's just that we want to protect the health of a strong regional circuit. Please know that I'm not defending KSHSAA or objecting to anything you said - I'm simply clarifying how Kansas debate differs so drastically from most other states.
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    TOC Ruling

    Gentlemen, Perhaps you will find comfort in the words of my favorite author, Stephen Crane. I have included one poem and two readings from "The Open Boat". No need to thank me. A Man Said to the Universe A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane from "The Open Boat" As for the reflections of the men, there was a great deal of rage in them. Perchance they might be formulated thus: "If I am going to be drowned -- if I am going to be drowned -- if I am going to be drowned, why, in the name of the seven mad gods who rule the sea, was I allowed to come thus far and contemplate sand and trees? Was I brought here merely to have my nose dragged away as I was about to nibble the sacred cheese of life? It is preposterous. If this old ninny-woman, Fate, cannot do better than this, she should be deprived of the management of men's fortunes. She is an old hen who knows not her intention. If she has decided to drown me, why did she not do it in the beginning and save me all this trouble. The whole affair is absurd. . . . But, no, she cannot mean to drown me. She dare not drown me. She cannot drown me. Not after all this work." Afterward the man might have had an impulse to shake his fist at the clouds: "Just you drown me, now, and then hear what I call you!" . . . When it occurs to a man that nature does not regard him as important, and that she feels she would not maim the universe by disposing of him, he at first wishes to throw bricks at the temple, and he hates deeply the fact that there are no bricks and no temples. -- Stephen Crane
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