Gary Busey 1453 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 i just think there's better stuff out there to run an anarchy alt with Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSUBound2006 49970 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 Anarchy sux. Gov key to heg=kicks yo' ass fo sheezy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WGLF 516 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 Anarchy sux. Gov key to heg=kicks yo' ass fo sheezy YEEEAAAAHHHH.......THAT'S A BRILLIANT ARGUMENT. THE GOVERNMENT'S EXISTENCE IS KEY TO THE GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO GO TO WAR. YOU REALLY FLESHED OUT A NUANCED ONE HERE. AND CERTAINLY ANARCHY HAS NO ANSWER TO THAT ONE. NO WONDER YOU'RE "MSU BOUND." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSUBound2006 49970 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 HA! I seam to recall a certain team losing to MSU at a nonexistant tourny this year. in elimination rounds? If your witty response is, "when is the last time that you qualified to the NDT?"(Which I would expect something much funnier then what I would say) then dont bother love jamie nhs 2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WGLF 516 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 HA! I seam to recall a certain team losing to MSU at a nonexistant tourny this year. in elimination rounds? If your witty response is, "when is the last time that you qualified to the NDT?"(Which I would expect something much funnier then what I would say) then dont bother love jamie nhs 2006 SOMETIMES THE VIRTUOUS FALL AND EVIL REIGNS. THIS EXPLAINS THE HOLOCAUST, THE TSUNAMI, 9/11, AND THE RESULTS OF THE 2004 NDT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyHill 207 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 SOMETIMES THE VIRTUOUS FALL AND EVIL REIGNS. THIS EXPLAINS THE HOLOCAUST, THE TSUNAMI, 9/11, AND THE RESULTS OF THE 2004 NDT. Someone got SERVED bad enough for me to make a lame ass movie reference and it ain't the WGLF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ihsdebate 1035 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 oh i know! i know!! was it MSU bound by any chance??????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajereDB8 78 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 YEEEAAAAHHHH.......THAT'S A BRILLIANT ARGUMENT. THE GOVERNMENT'S EXISTENCE IS KEY TO THE GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO GO TO WAR. YOU REALLY FLESHED OUT A NUANCED ONE HERE. AND CERTAINLY ANARCHY HAS NO ANSWER TO THAT ONE. NO WONDER YOU'RE "MSU BOUND." It's not as if certain members of the WGLF haven't successfully defeated a team on "state key to heg." Plan flaw my ass :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ihsdebate 1035 Report post Posted June 6, 2005 It's not as if certain members of the WGLF haven't successfully defeated a team on "state key to heg." Plan flaw my ass :-P thats just how the WGLF rolls, if you are as talented as the WGLF (which i am willing to bet your not) then you can run arguments that happen to be bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WGLF 516 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 thats just how the WGLF rolls, if you are as talented as the WGLF (which i am willing to bet your not) then you can run arguments that happen to be bad. THANKS FOR ROLLING ALL UP IN OUR BUSINESS. STEVE'S OUR BOY, HE WAS MAKING AN INSIDE JOKE. NOW GO EAT GIRAFFE FECES. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ro0t115 208 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 so now that people know what its all about...who the fuck are the main authors? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ihsdebate 1035 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 THANKS FOR ROLLING ALL UP IN OUR BUSINESS. STEVE'S OUR BOY, HE WAS MAKING AN INSIDE JOKE. NOW GO EAT GIRAFFE FECES. meh thats why i don't like inside jokes...i already had giraffe feces for dinner and am stuffed or i wouild have some more, actually there not bad with some salt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSUBound2006 49970 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 Nice comeback d00d love jamie nhs 2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WGLF 516 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 THE WGLF CLS FILE WILL BE POSTED WITHIN THE HOUR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
movingonup 678 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 DO NOT BUY FROM THE WGLF. ONLY OBTAIN THE CLS FILE FROM ME. I WILL TRADE FOR ANYTHING YOU HAVE. I HAVE 3 DIFFERENT VERSIONS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WGLF 516 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 DO NOT BUY FROM THE WGLF. ONLY OBTAIN THE CLS FILE FROM ME. I WILL TRADE FOR ANYTHING YOU HAVE. I HAVE 3 DIFFERENT VERSIONS. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? BUY FILES FROM PROVEN WINNERS, NOT RANDOM KANSANS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MamaBev 147 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? BUY FILES FROM PROVEN WINNERS, NOT RANDOM KANSANS TRU DAT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelly 626 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 i already had giraffe feces for dinner and am stuffed or i wouild have some more, actually there not bad with some salt lollerskates! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fem2n 10 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 <<so now that people know what its all about...who the fuck are the main authors?>> allan hutchinson and patrick monahan phyllis goldfarb mark tushnet peter gabel duncan kennedy lynne henderson arguably schlag can be used with cls'ers argument about the indeterminancy and subjective nature of the law if you type "critical legal studies" into the law review search on lexis you'll get a buncha good / useful articles - most of the best to start with are from the mid to late 80s because that's when this whole debate was going down among lawyers and such. there are also several books with critical legal studies in the title that will probably be useful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajereDB8 78 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 so now that people know what its all about...who the fuck are the main authors? Robert Unger and Duncan Kennedy are probably the best known crit scholars. I'll scrap up a few names later. Schlag could probably be loosely grouped with the crits. But you can just hit up Lexis or the Interwebs and find stuff about critical legal studies in the law review section. (Edit: see the above post, which has a few more names.) FYI, a number of these types advocate radical deconstruction of the law rather than anarchy or activism. Somebody, I think Kelman or Tushnet, dubbed this "trashing" the law so that may be a keyword for anyone looking for CLS alternatives. Keep in mind that a lot of scholars are highly critical of "trashing" and CLS in general because they believe it is nihilistic and precludes non-academic solutions to legal problems. A lot of legal positivists and realists provide the best answers to the CLS critique. I'd highly recommend reading any of Posner's stuff for your A/T file. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tshuman 1763 Report post Posted June 7, 2005 I'd highly recommend reading any of Posner's stuff for your A/T file.See also Karl Llewellyn (especially The Cheyenne Way)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slipstreampilot 29 Report post Posted June 8, 2005 I can't remember who told me this, but wasn't CLS the first critique ever run in debate? from it progressing to arguments that are accepted today. Also there's as aspect of this argument that hasn't been mentioned. CLS talks about rights being coded into law. People would say that our rights come from the bill of rights and therefore come from the government. However, thinking that the government gives us our rights, also justifies saying that the government has the right to take them away. The alt there would be something on the order of rejection of the mindset that our rights come from the government and adoption of the mindset either that rights come from god or some secular humanist "every person has the right...etc" Rule by general decree maybe? This is hard to think of an alt that isn't anarchy, but that argument is so far to the left of the rest of the position that it seems to make more sense being run seperately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J3ffr0 306 Report post Posted June 8, 2005 I seem to remember a lot of cards in my file from Margaret Jane Radin and R. Polk Wagner, or something close to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCampfield 14 Report post Posted June 8, 2005 Jeffy, do you still have that file, if so I will trade you somethng for it. Osagedb8r@aol.com or PM me, or post here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajereDB8 78 Report post Posted June 8, 2005 CLS talks about rights being coded into law. People would say that our rights come from the bill of rights and therefore come from the government. However, thinking that the government gives us our rights, also justifies saying that the government has the right to take them away. The alt there would be something on the order of rejection of the mindset that our rights come from the government and adoption of the mindset either that rights come from god or some secular humanist "every person has the right...etc" That's a misinterpretation of liberalist democracy. Certain rights are intrinsically necessary for humanity and aren't "given" to us by anyone; rather, government exists to mediate disputes between people and ensure that these rights aren't violated. In this mindset the Bill of Rights recognizes these necessities and lays down a set of negative rights, e.g., things that the government may not do (No restrictions on religion or speech, no imprisonment without trial by jury, etc.) It was only until much later that the Constitution was amended to specifically recognize rights. Not to mention, your alternative wouldn't address the main concern of critical legal scholars. Who cares if the source of law is God or some philosopher, they point out, the notion that it's even possible to set standards of measure for lawful behavior is wrong. CLS and other poststrucural theories have lost steam in the academies partly because they dead-ended; you can only be anti-establishment to a certain degree without being totally nihilist or relativist, and it's pretty easy to cherrypick extreme examples that would cast doubt on such theories. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
