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just to clarify:

dispo on the condition that i cant kick if you read offense solves the condo offense?

the dispo checks argument assumes you can't kick if I read offense against a position- to clarify I am making that argument as dispo checks any condo good offense, not dispo checks condo bad offense

are condo, solvency advocate, and 50 state fiat bad the only theoretical offense out of the 2ac?

yes

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just to clarify:

dispo on the condition that i cant kick if you read offense solves the condo offense?

the dispo checks argument assumes you can't kick if I read offense against a position- to clarify I am making that argument as dispo checks any condo good offense, not dispo checks condo bad offense

wait so dispo doesnt solve condo bad offense? does every advocacy have to be unconditional

 

 

 

If I said status was dispo, how would that have changed the 2ac?

I wouldn't have read condo bad, I would've straight turned the k and read offense on the counterplan

um why does the status being condo mean reading offense is a bad idea/undesirable?

 

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just to clarify:

dispo on the condition that i cant kick if you read offense solves the condo offense?

the dispo checks argument assumes you can't kick if I read offense against a position- to clarify I am making that argument as dispo checks any condo good offense, not dispo checks condo bad offense

wait so dispo doesnt solve condo bad offense? does every advocacy have to be unconditional

I think i have unintentionally convoluted this debate: to clarify firmly- dispo checks condo good offense and solves our condo bad offense; every advocacy doesn't have to be uncondo- i apologize for the confusion.

 

 

If I said status was dispo, how would that have changed the 2ac?

I wouldn't have read condo bad, I would've straight turned the k and read offense on the counterplan

um why does the status being condo mean reading offense is a bad idea/undesirable?

if i read offense on a condo advocacy, you can simply kick out of the advocacy and I would lose access to those arguments, mooting time and words spent as well as skewing strategy

 

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Here's the 2NC: T, courts DA, college DA, midterms DA, sanctuary state CP. Good for CX but the 1NR will take a couple days to write as I'm really busy this next week. I definitely won't forfeit the vdebate or anything, I'll just be slow.

 

2NC.docx

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CX:

Just to clarify, what actions does the counterplan do since that wasn't in the 2nc proper

Sorry about that - the CP requires all states to pass California SB54 which

  • Prohibits state and local law enforcement from holding illegal aliens on the basis of federal immigration detainers, or transferring them into federal custody, unless they’ve been convicted in the last 15 years for one of a list of 31 crimes, or are a registered sex offender: if not, they may only be held with a warrant from a federal judge
  • Prohibits state and local law enforcement from asking anyone about their immigration status
  • Prohibits state and local law enforcement from sharing any information with federal immigration authorities that is not available to the general public
  • Prohibits state and local law enforcement from using any of their money or personnel to “investigate, interrogate, detain, detect, or arrest persons for immigration enforcement purposes”
  • Prohibits state and local law enforcement from allowing federal immigration authorities to use space in their facilities
  • Limits how and when state and local law enforcement can contract with federal immigration authorities
  • Grants discretion to state and local law enforcement to cooperate even less with federal immigration authorities than the bill authorizes them to, but not more

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 1NR v vman.docx

 

the risk of a global human extinction event this century—or at least of an event that wipes out 10 percent or more of the world’s population— is around 1 in 10

Impact turn--Russian roulette is really fun.

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1AR: case, college, midterms, CP

 

yo this is 3871 words - that's longer than the 2NC. I'd rather have a small 2NR without too much LBL so can you just shorten it? 

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this was such a civil, timely, uncluttered vdebate. points to both of you for being awesome.

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yeah, i hope it made sense and was coherent enough, this was an incredibly difficult round to judge (in a good way, once again fantastic job to both of you)

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I didn't follow almost any of this round but after reading the 1NC i think that there are some fundamental problems with the courts DA. idk if this ending up mattering but the DA definitely needs some changes. as far as I understand it the da link story is as follows: courts fine now; plan causes more backlog; trump puts in new judges; judges cant check him anymore and he can do his evil shit or whatever. 

 

Heres the two problems with that. 1: backlog is already massive now, 700,000 cases and rising because of that sessions have agreed to increase the number of judges by 150 which means the DA is non-unique. 2: the link story assumes that immigration judges have the ability to check trump which is completely false because the immigration courts are separate from the rest of the justice system. they only decided abt asylum, deportation, and the like which means they cant check trump. 

 

2ac, therefore, puts way too much here, they just need to explain that the link story doesn't work. 

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