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Hi, I was just looking over a bunch of neg offcases and wanted to know more about the args against this specific one. I've attached the file. 

 

So I understand that these cards are saying 

- aliens exist

- human extinction good because we kill off other species and stuff

- human survival=universe goes boom

 

what are the arguments you would make against this and what are some good responses? I just want to be prepared for the most common args. 

 

Thanks

Human extinction K.docx

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its not a K, its an impact turn. I haven;t opened the file but you're describing wipeout. Human extinction good because there are more aliens than humans and if humanity survives much longer we'll like destroy the universe. UTNIF put out a file on it this year called like creative impact turns or some shit. good stuff.

 

Just say a - humans dont kill everything, b - no aliens, and c - fuck aliens anyways

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This is close to a K.  You need an alternative.  The implied alternative is reject aff plan, and imbrace human extinction.  You also need a link.  Pretty obvious in this case that the link is the aff seeks to avoid human extinction.  Next is the impact which you have laid out already with the existing cards. 

 

In sum, the main args are no alternative, no reason to prefer K over plan.  No link.  

 

Good luck with this arg!  I can see teams struggling to counter this argument with solid evidence. 

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In sum, the main args are no alternative, no reason to prefer K over plan.  No link.

 

I think this is a bit of a misconception. Wipeout is not a K, it's a rather specific and also rather dumb impact turn. I think Patrick covered the most intuitive answers. I'll also point out, having read the evidence, that it says nowhere that aliens actually exist, just that some guy thought we were gonna find microbes 3 years ago.

 

There's obviously going to be a link if the plan prevents extinction, and the reason to prefer is the impact. You've literally said the plan would be actively preventing this great thing, which is human extinction. There's no need to have an alt, because the status quo will solve by killing us all. This more like a disadvantage that links to the impact than it is a K.

 

The answers to Wipeout are really just that the premises it takes are dumb, not that the plan doesn't link.

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If people want to read this K - Just read Ligotti ... Wipeout without the ridiculous impacts (outside of Aliens)

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I think this is a bit of a misconception. Wipeout is not a K, it's a rather specific and also rather dumb impact turn. I think Patrick covered the most intuitive answers. I'll also point out, having read the evidence, that it says nowhere that aliens actually exist, just that some guy thought we were gonna find microbes 3 years ago.

I mean the Drake equation is a bit more nuanced than that, but yeah basically the ev says "probability wise, there should be a lot of aliens in the universe.

 

There's obviously going to be a link if the plan prevents extinction, and the reason to prefer is the impact. You've literally said the plan would be actively preventing this great thing, which is human extinction. There's no need to have an alt, because the status quo will solve by killing us all. This more like a disadvantage that links to the impact than it is a K.

It's an impact turn, yeah. Same as like dedev, spark, or heg bad.

The answers to Wipeout are really just that the premises it takes are dumb, not that the plan doesn't link.

Yeah like I  said, just say they're wrong and fuck aliens anyways.

 

Also read Bostrom and be like "humans are really great and should not die."

This is actually a big misconception of what the Bostrom 12 ev (which is the one almost everyone reads) says - it's a huge thing in LD, i read it in every util aff i write. Bostrom is saying that in order to resolve moral uncertainty, we should prioritize existential risks so as to preserve future value - extinction is basically a meta-constraint on any framework of ethics. He doesn't say humans are particularly good, just that any moral framework requires people to be alive to understand moral value - its a meta-ethics argument. I wouldn't go for Bostrom against wipeout, because a - they'll inevitably have indicts, b - its not super responsive, and c - Bostrom is still assuming a human-centred moral paradigm, which wipeout doesn't.

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so if im the 1N, can i read a privatization cp and extinction good? what if they say something like: well if humans are bad, why should we privatize schools?

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I run wipeout as a Kritik sometimes I use kochi and ordan as an alt. Granted this is only at Oklahoma 5a. @aquackdebater

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