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@VishvakBandi - Bro how r u gonna win grapevine with Shreyas if ur busy on cross-x instead of prepping. Jkjk. But i want to know who will be partners with shreyas after you leave cause I honestly thought u were a junior last year lol

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With the long awaited graduation of Samar and Eckert who have terrorized the Texas circuit with their success, parity has been restored and the competition to be the best team in Texas is now wide open.

The obvious three at the top from last year are Coppell DR (broke at the TOC and co championed TFA), Westwood BS (Championed UT and semied at Houston and TFA state), and Highland Park LM (who broke to Quarters of the TOC and return prob the best individual debater in the state). A not so dark horse dark horse is LASA EU (who are attending the Greenhill RR and have Ugarte who is a low key top 10 2a in the county + a top notch coaching staff).

Outside these 4 is a group who any of them could leap to the top. Hebron returns 3 bid round debaters on all 3 of their top teams and Xain put the fear of God in Greenhill in TFA quarters last year. LASA IJ returns a bid pair intact and are one of the most versatile strategy teams in the circuit. Grapevine CW are the embodiment of unpredictability and could do anything from not break to final depending on the day. Kerr EN came out of nowhere to bid at UT and could once again exceed expectations. Plus you can’t forget the old guard - Leffler returns for greenhill in his timeless debate career, Jesuit HN is reunited once again, and even though Harris Wilsons trio of +1’s have graduated, St Marks will undoubtedly churn out talent since Sahitya has returned. Though, out of all of these, it’s Hebron I’m betting on making the leap, so keep an eye on Hebron BS, HL, and KP in the next few weeks.

Note - I may have missed some teams so feel free to mention them as well. 

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Top 5 Texas Teams

1. Highland Park ML

2. Coppell DR 

3. Greenhill HL

4. LASA EU

5. Westwood BS

These are the teams that will be in semis of every Texas TOC. No other team has a chance at getting that far without having to lose against these teams.

 

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6 minutes ago, GreenhillLW said:

Top 5 Texas Teams

1. Highland Park ML

2. Coppell DR 

3. Greenhill HL

4. LASA EU

5. Westwood BS

These are the teams that will be in semis of every Texas TOC. No other team has a chance at getting that far without having to lose against these teams.

 

I agree with the list but fr you did Westwood and Ugarte dirty. Yes I get you might be biased cause of your username but Josh was non existent for much of the 2nd semester last year outside the TOC and overall didn’t do anything spectacular and I haven’t seen much of Hurst to rank them above two proven and consistent teams. Yes, I still anticipate Greenhill to be highly competitive due to experience and coaching, but they shouldn’t be ranked at 3 without proving it first.

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2 minutes ago, anonymouspanda said:

I agree with the list but fr you did Westwood and Ugarte dirty. Yes I get you might be biased cause of your username but Josh was non existent for much of the 2nd semester last year outside the TOC and overall didn’t do anything spectacular and I haven’t seen much of Hurst to rank them above two proven and consistent teams. Yes, I still anticipate Greenhill to be highly competitive due to experience and coaching, but they shouldn’t be ranked at 3 without proving it first.

Josh Leffler should have won the TOC, he was screwed by judges and his skill was not accurately portrayed there. He is definitely top 3 EASILY. Westwood is lucky I even put them on the list.

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1 hour ago, anonymouspanda said:

With the long awaited graduation of Samar and Eckert who have terrorized the Texas circuit with their success, parity has been restored and the competition to be the best team in Texas is now wide open.

The obvious three at the top from last year are Coppell DR (broke at the TOC and co championed TFA), Westwood BS (Championed UT and semied at Houston and TFA state), and Highland Park LM (who broke to Quarters of the TOC and return prob the best individual debater in the state). A not so dark horse dark horse is LASA EU (who are attending the Greenhill RR and have Ugarte who is a low key top 10 2a in the county + a top notch coaching staff).

Outside these 4 is a group who any of them could leap to the top. Hebron returns 3 bid round debaters on all 3 of their top teams and Xain put the fear of God in Greenhill in TFA quarters last year. LASA IJ returns a bid pair intact and are one of the most versatile strategy teams in the circuit. Grapevine CW are the embodiment of unpredictability and could do anything from not break to final depending on the day. Kerr EN came out of nowhere to bid at UT and could once again exceed expectations. Plus you can’t forget the old guard - Leffler returns for greenhill in his timeless debate career, Jesuit HN is reunited once again, and even though Harris Wilsons trio of +1’s have graduated, St Marks will undoubtedly churn out talent since Sahitya has returned. Though, out of all of these, it’s Hebron I’m betting on making the leap, so keep an eye on Hebron BS, HL, and KP in the next few weeks.

Note - I may have missed some teams so feel free to mention them as well. 

 

1 hour ago, GreenhillLW said:

Top 5 Texas Teams

1. Highland Park ML

2. Coppell DR 

3. Greenhill HL

4. LASA EU

5. Westwood BS

These are the teams that will be in semis of every Texas TOC. No other team has a chance at getting that far without having to lose against these teams.

 

I’m Sorry. Am I missing something here? Who is Coppell DR?????????

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I thought Coppell teams were Coppell RB (Rajagopal/Bandi), Coppell DK (Desai/Kashyap), Coppell RA (Rajamani/Arya), and Coppell GG (Ganesan/Gupta) with Coppell RB being A-team and TOC qualled due to Vishvak and Shreyas’ massive improvement over the summer.

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Bump... I think its time to reevaluate our rankings of the top texas teams based on Grapevine since its probably a good indicator of where the good texas teams stand. Any thoughts?

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3 hours ago, anonymouspanda said:

Um ... so this aged kinda badly lol

First, as I said Greenhill LH got the bid at grapevine and even though they lost in quarters we all know they deserved to win that round and the entirety of the tournament.

Additionally, Westwood BS is a one and done. I would be suprised if they got another bid but even if they do, their TOC record will not be pretty.

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Westwood BS is definitely not a one and done - they will get 4-6 bids. 

Coppell DR is probably the best team in Texas. If not, it's Ethan Muse. 

LASA EU and GP both bid as well, IJ is also a sleeper. They very well might get three teams to the TOC.

Hebron showed out at grapevine...very surprising, but congrats to BS for bidding and KP for breaking.

Not surprised with Greenhill HL, Leffler is a very strong debater. 

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7 hours ago, TestNav said:

Westwood BS is definitely not a one and done - they will get 4-6 bids. 

Coppell DR is probably the best team in Texas. If not, it's Ethan Muse. 

LASA EU and GP both bid as well, IJ is also a sleeper. They very well might get three teams to the TOC.

Hebron showed out at grapevine...very surprising, but congrats to BS for bidding and KP for breaking.

Not surprised with Greenhill HL, Leffler is a very strong debater. 

Coppell DR was the last Texas team left standing at Greenhill so its fair to say that as of now, they are the best team in Texas. Its crazy that teams always know what Het's 2NR is (Equilibrium Link) yet still manage to lose due to Het's amazing 2NR's. However, I expect Muse to bounce-back strong at St Marks and make up for lost time in the race for the top spot.

Westwood will be fairly consistent throughout the year - top notch prep and insanely good execution will make them highly competitive. 

Hebron had a phenomenal Grapevine tournament, especially since the 2N only joined Policy this year. Beat both McQueen and LASA EU + took a ballot from Westwood in Semis. Definitely a team to look out for in the future.

Greenhill had a good Grapevine but not a spectacular one. Leffler can and will step up to fill the talent void, but he has to take it to the next level to out-power Coppell, Westwood, and Muse.

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