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what exactly is bad about debate? Like I know debaters who went on to be lawyers and defend their ethics and others- how is that a burial plot?

 

What specifically about this topic is bad?

How do you have uniqueness for doing something OUTSIDE of the academy

 

Okay so investments within the activity are a form of capitalist investment- then why vote AFF?

 

When has an occupy movement been successful?

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what exactly is bad about debate? Like I know debaters who went on to be lawyers and defend their ethics and others- how is that a burial plot?

two arguments: our first oucb evidence indicates that the idea of debate space being a free and just academic forum is wrong because everything that we read gets swallowed up and spit out by the university and left for dead

second oucb evidence talks about how the radical potential of debate is killed by the topic because we are taught to talk in circles endlessly and never actually do anything- in essence get caught in the grips of the university

What specifically about this topic is bad?

that's our second piece of oucb evidence- topic specific discussion is bad because the knowledge we debate and produce over is just sucked up and left behind to die just like how the university does that to students/other academics

How do you have uniqueness for doing something OUTSIDE of the academy

we don't....that's the point of this aff is to create that rupture outside of it

Okay so investments within the activity are a form of capitalist investment- then why vote AFF?

we aren't an investment within the activity or into debate- we actually see ourselves as destroying debate as we know it- voting aff entails a refusal of the unversity and its mass social death

When has an occupy movement been successful?

it's spreading like a virus now under different names- indivisible, black bloc anarchists, moveon.org, etc- the occupy movement was successful in creating a reinvigorated left movement in the US

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what exactly is bad about debate? Like I know debaters who went on to be lawyers and defend their ethics and others- how is that a burial plot?

two arguments: our first oucb evidence indicates that the idea of debate space being a free and just academic forum is wrong because everything that we read gets swallowed up and spit out by the university and left for dead

Why doesn't voting AFF cause a detachment where the judge thinks they've done something and then become by endorsing your "movement"?

second oucb evidence talks about how the radical potential of debate is killed by the topic because we are taught to talk in circles endlessly and never actually do anything- in essence get caught in the grips of the university

What specifically about this topic is bad?

that's our second piece of oucb evidence- topic specific discussion is bad because the knowledge we debate and produce over is just sucked up and left behind to die just like how the university does that to students/other academics

A local debater argued about native land reclamation and then used that info to argue on Cherokee reservations today- how is that "left to die"?

How do you have uniqueness for doing something OUTSIDE of the academy

we don't....that's the point of this aff is to create that rupture outside of it

Wait what- so by acting WITHIN the activity we can still find a way to distance ourselves and be OUTSIDE by being non-traditional?

Okay so investments within the activity are a form of capitalist investment- then why vote AFF?

we aren't an investment within the activity or into debate- we actually see ourselves as destroying debate as we know it- voting aff entails a refusal of the unversity and its mass social death

When has an occupy movement been successful?

it's spreading like a virus now under different names- indivisible, black bloc anarchists, moveon.org, etc- the occupy movement was successful in creating a reinvigorated left movement in the US

Okay but how do those movements actually get created if not with a forum where teenagers/college folk talk about racist/misogynist/etc policies, like debate?

 

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Why doesn't voting AFF cause a detachment where the judge thinks they've done something and then become by endorsing your "movement"?

i mean we aren't detached- we take into account material circumstances and propose this idea- by your logic any aff topical or not would constitute a detachment where judges think they've done something

A local debater argued about native land reclamation and then used that info to argue on Cherokee reservations today- how is that "left to die"?

i mean that particular instance wouldn't indict our aff because most of what we talk about here is left behind to die- example- when was the last time anyone talked about domestic surveillance policy or oceanic exploration?

Wait what- so by acting WITHIN the activity we can still find a way to distance ourselves and be OUTSIDE by being non-traditional?

yes because we are a disruptive and destructive force to the activity- we don't claim to be making debate better

Okay but how do those movements actually get created if not with a forum where teenagers/college folk talk about racist/misogynist/etc policies, like debate?

i mean there are other places than debate where movements get created......also that argument would function as offense for us because we think we would be doing a positive service by destroying debate which has elements of pro-racism/misogyny/anthropocentrism/homophobia/ableism embedded in it

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first off

do you desire the ballot? if so, then why are we having this debate?

halberstam evidence- how are we academic goody two shoes when we advocate a rejection of the academy

so if voting negative doesn't destroy debate, why vote negative under the role of the ballot which you conceded?

 

 

counteradvocacy

how is this competitive?

also where does your evidence say anything about the academy?

the feldman evidence- where does this say anything about imaginaries being good- this talks about genealogy being a good method

 

cede the political K

 

why should we trust giroux?

why is pedagogy good?

where does giroux talk about academies being good- he says educators should teach students to think critically

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first off

do you desire the ballot? if so, then why are we having this debate?

A: My arg is that the aff has the burden of proof. If you can't prove that your method should accompany an AFF ballot then the judge votes "not aff". Also this question is regressive, if you hate academy why are you here

 

halberstam evidence- how are we academic goody two shoes when we advocate a rejection of the academy

so if voting negative doesn't destroy debate, why vote negative under the role of the ballot which you conceded?

A: Oh i meant voting aff wouldnt destroy debate- thats a presumption arg- but halberstam says the AC is initially radical but then you make a plea for the ballot so you can win within the activity demands success.

 

 

counteradvocacy

how is this competitive?

A: a form of academic research is good; its plan minus and an impact turn

 

also where does your evidence say anything about the academy?

A: Feldman argues for scholastic relationality but Wilenski specifically says the TOPIC is a stasis from which students can explain black flesh

 

 

the feldman evidence- where does this say anything about imaginaries being good- this talks about genealogy being a good method

A: all above; plus, antiblackness is a unique narrative that acts as a counterpoint to globality which is why kritikal affs on this topic are good

 

cede the political K

 

why should we trust giroux?

A: warrants are good and hyper comtextual to status quo events like Trump

 

why is pedagogy good?

A: creates coalitions against imperialism, stops students from talking in circles, creates responsible agents to stop Trumpism, creates historical SUBJECTS instead of passive consumers, combats military industrial complex, etc.

 

where does giroux talk about academies being good- he says educators should teach students to think critically

A: giroux 15 talks about educators within schools. And giroux 16 says that younger people in debate are key.

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The vdebate section of Cross-x.com is really just 15 or so bored debaters sitting around to judge the quality of speech documents and arguing over who has to be Aff.

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cx:

 

Case args:

so debate people can be fucking awful but how does winning the ballot actually do to confront sexist/racist/etc judges and debaters?

 

 

Opertationalization Arg:

"We don’t desire the ballot- our movement is not measured by success at the ballot but rather in the changes we create"- okay so you don't want the ballot?If NO then why vote for your aff even if it is a good idea?

And if you DO want the ballot- why doesn't that consign the AC to the burial plot? You just get academic cred for "winning a tournament/ round" no?

 

You say you're a guerilla strategy? Despite the HUNDREDS of edgy K aff debates when has a memorable revolution actually CHANGED stuff outside debate?

 

Topicality:

where did the 1NC make a policy maker/ state good claim like Moten critiques?

 

You say the AFF just doesnt have to do the rez- would affs even be tangetially related to the rez or just anything?

 

 

Giroux K:

Franks 7 critiques institutions cause those who inhabit them already have privilege- why doesnt your critique within this space link too?

 

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cx:

 

Case args:

so debate people can be fucking awful but how does winning the ballot actually do to confront sexist/racist/etc judges and debaters?

we reject the academy and all within it- that means rejecting debate too

 

Opertationalization Arg:

"We don’t desire the ballot- our movement is not measured by success at the ballot but rather in the changes we create"- okay so you don't want the ballot?If NO then why vote for your aff even if it is a good idea?

And if you DO want the ballot- why doesn't that consign the AC to the burial plot? You just get academic cred for "winning a tournament/ round" no?

the aff is not designed for the purpose of winning ballots; we are designed to create a movement; there is no academic cred to be gained from saying the academy, the cred dealers, are horrible- if anything that leads to wipeout of academic cred.....

you vote aff because you think it's a good idea plain and simple; if you think it's a bad idea or you win it's a bad idea vote neg

 

You say you're a guerilla strategy? Despite the HUNDREDS of edgy K aff debates when has a memorable revolution actually CHANGED stuff outside debate?

an example is the ECLI- they create real change in their community of Baltimore and they teach students and kids the same methods to do so as well- creates empowerment; we aren't comparing ourselves to the ECLI but that's an example to answer your question

 

Topicality:

where did the 1NC make a policy maker/ state good claim like Moten critiques?

that's offense for the counter-interp- we are well aware that the 1nc didnt make those claims

 

You say the AFF just doesnt have to do the rez- would affs even be tangetially related to the rez or just anything?

they can be tangential, they can be anything- it's really up to what aff teams want to read under our counter-interp

 

Giroux K:

Franks 7 critiques institutions cause those who inhabit them already have privilege- why doesnt your critique within this space link too?

no this evidence is pretty specifically an indict of yours and giroux's method of critical pedagogy

 

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