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Hey everyone,

 

so I'm a senior in high school, which may be a bit surprising since I've asked some pretty novice-level questions on this site. As I've mentioned before, I'm trying to start a policy team at my school, and this is the first year we've really been able to make anything work.

 

I've had to come to grips with the fact that I'm probably never going to make it to the TOC or even break at a bid tournament, being that I only have one year to do policy. That just isn't enough time for anyone to become truly good, much less someone with our lack or resources and support

 

So as I've been applying to colleges, an important part of that process has been finding a school with a policy team where I can make something out of my debate career. This year has been a blast, but it can't be all there is. I just haven't had my fill of policy. I feel like I'm only getting started but the future is uncertain.

 

Would anyone be willing to give me an introduction to how policy debate works in college and how it's different from high school?

 

Here's what (i think) i know so far plus some questions I have:

 

-obviously, speech times are different. 9/6 as opposed to 8/5. big whoop, i'll get used to that

 

-from checking out tournaments on tabroom, it seems like policy is less popular in college than it is in high school. tournaments appears to be smaller and there appears to be fewer of them. It also seems like most college debate teams do APDA/NPDA instead, which is parli (not interested, no offense to anyone who does and enjoys parli) Is that valid?

 

-it seems like you're way more likely to hit K teams in college than in high school. Watching rounds on DebateStream, i've almost never seen one that's straight policy on both sides. Is this an accurate representation of college debate?

 

-it seems like the NDT is the college equivalent to the TOC, but I have no idea how one qualifies to the NDT. Does it work the same way people get bids in high school?

 

-I know CEDA is a thing, and that it uses the same resolution as the NDT, but is it merged with the NDT or does it run its own tournament?

 

-are there local/league tournaments like in high school which are lower competition and don't offer bids? 

 

-how many tournaments a year do teams typically attend? I know it varies widely by team, but across the board to teams go to fewer tournaments than in high school?

 

-what is ADA and how does it relate to NDT/CEDA? They say on their website that one of their core tenants is that "Debate is a persuasive, oral communication activity in which debaters assume the obligation to communicate reasons for positions taken in a manner that is coherent, intelligible, and consistent with the limitations on human speech and listening." Does this mean there's a significant number of college teams that focus on ADA tournaments and practice slow, low tech policy? Because that's no fun

 

I know this is a lot, but i'm hoping someone be willing to help me get a sense of how this all works

 

thanks!

 

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Hey everyone,

 

so I'm a senior in high school, which may be a bit surprising since I've asked some pretty novice-level questions on this site. As I've mentioned before, I'm trying to start a policy team at my school, and this is the first year we've really been able to make anything work.

 

I've had to come to grips with the fact that I'm probably never going to make it to the TOC or even break at a bid tournament, being that I only have one year to do policy. That just isn't enough time for anyone to become truly good, much less someone with our lack or resources and support

 

So as I've been applying to colleges, an important part of that process has been finding a school with a policy team where I can make something out of my debate career. This year has been a blast, but it can't be all there is. I just haven't had my fill of policy. I feel like I'm only getting started but the future is uncertain.

 

Would anyone be willing to give me an introduction to how policy debate works in college and how it's different from high school?

 

Here's what (i think) i know so far plus some questions I have:

 

-obviously, speech times are different. 9/6 as opposed to 8/5. big whoop, i'll get used to that everyone is really good in college. even people you think are good in high school are absolute trash compared to top-tier college teams.

 

-from checking out tournaments on tabroom, it seems like policy is less popular in college than it is in high school. tournaments appears to be smaller and there appears to be fewer of them. It also seems like most college debate teams do APDA/NPDA instead, which is parli (not interested, no offense to anyone who does and enjoys parli) Is that valid? not necessarily, but it can be some times because the research burden in college is a lot heavier. 

 

-it seems like you're way more likely to hit K teams in college than in high school. Watching rounds on DebateStream, i've almost never seen one that's straight policy on both sides. Is this an accurate representation of college debate? there are lots of k teams in both high school and college. it really depends on your circuit. the k teams in college are much better though. 

 

-it seems like the NDT is the college equivalent to the TOC, but I have no idea how one qualifies to the NDT. Does it work the same way people get bids in high school? sorta, it's a bit more difficult though. 

 

-I know CEDA is a thing, and that it uses the same resolution as the NDT, but is it merged with the NDT or does it run its own tournament? it's separate.

 

-are there local/league tournaments like in high school which are lower competition and don't offer bids? yes.

 

-how many tournaments a year do teams typically attend? I know it varies widely by team, but across the board to teams go to fewer tournaments than in high school? it really depends on how many, and what squad you're on.

 

-what is ADA and how does it relate to NDT/CEDA? They say on their website that one of their core tenants is that "Debate is a persuasive, oral communication activity in which debaters assume the obligation to communicate reasons for positions taken in a manner that is coherent, intelligible, and consistent with the limitations on human speech and listening." Does this mean there's a significant number of college teams that focus on ADA tournaments and practice slow, low tech policy? Because that's no fun

 

I know this is a lot, but i'm hoping someone be willing to help me get a sense of how this all works

 

thanks!

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ADA schools are mostly in the midatlantic (Virginia and Washington DC) up to the boston area.

 

ADA is probably more policy oriented than CEDA/NDT.  Also this can be more of a judge by judge thing, rather than a thing thats universal.

 

There are ADA rules that are different, but people only cite the rules as cheesy gotcha arguments.  I think there is a full cites argument like that.

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actually since someone brought up college LD, if you guys wouldn't mind I'd like to jump in here and ask some questions on that? thanks,

 

-what circuts/associations does college LD compete on? (ndt, ceda, etc?)

-is it comparable to tech high school LD?

-where can I find info about it like online or such? I've looked a bunch but can't find it anywhere

-what schools even do college LD?

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Hey OP I am in the same exact situation! From what I have read and researched- you aren't "hopeless" (not that you were  ever figured to be). College teams do offer some level of "teaching" but not to the extent that you might think. Use this year to better understand policy and debate- and use the year to try out more advanced items (read a book and cut cards from it, run ks you might not have before, and dont back down from any challanges). I did LD for 3 years, but the colleges Im applying to offer pretty open debate programs (some are selective though) that one can cultivate skill on. IF you ever feel "scared", understand the reward and value in debate- and check out the Iowa debate team on youtube. It truly is about how much work you are willing to put in

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