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No word count. Anything goes as long as it can be reasonably read within the time limits, since I know your spreading speed :D

 

1AC here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v28U4LukyHpzDH4-3yTsRcOastLeqY8bu0Lrn7mwp1g/edit?usp=sharing

Needed to request access to the 1AC. Why not attach it as a download?

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Cross-X:

1) how does dialogue over Uyghur political prisoners spill over towards Uyghur as a whole?

2) what's stopping china from saying "lol look at your black people" when the us points out china's political prisoners?

3) what would motivate the USFG to implement the plan?

4) What's the link between increased dialogue and material action?

5) What is the "other"? How does the plan interact with this "other"?

 

follow up questions if needed

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CX of the 1AC: 

 

1) how does dialogue over Uyghur political prisoners spill over towards Uyghur as a whole?

We do not claim that this will solve for all of the Uyghurs' sufferings because no policy can possibly do that. However we would argue that it begins the process of deconstructing the autoimmune narrative of harmony that the PRC is attempting to construct and solidify in the status quo. And we solve for the human rights of those political prisoners, which is one step towards fulfilling our moral obligation towards them.

 

2) what's stopping china from saying "lol look at your black people" when the us points out china's political prisoners?

 

China has not said anything of the sort in the past when Obama mentioned human rights in their talks. Also our Rosenzweig 10 evidence states that China will say yes to Plan - the US just needs to follow up on the agreement.

 

3) what would motivate the USFG to implement the plan?

We say fiat solves and it is our ethical duty towards the Other.

 

4) What's the link between increased dialogue and material action?

The dialogue is over human rights of Uyghurs in general and the material action is from the creation of a working group that creates transparency by releasing the list of political prisoners, making sure they are released, and increasing publicity that will pressure China into better human rights policies towards the Uyghurs.

 

5) What is the "other"? How does the plan interact with this "other"?

The Other is any minority group that is being oppressed. Plan is a first step towards the betterment of the Other's conditions. The USfg and PRC also actively engage with the Uyghurs through the working group, which consults Uyghurs.

 

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alright sorry for big late

here's that 1nc

crosssx

 

CX of the 1NC:

 

I have six questions b/ the first two are super short.

 

1. Status of each off?

2. NB to CP?

3. On the Cap K, how does your "materialist criticism" connect theory with action? Where does it mandate the thought AND action that makes up praxis?

4. On the Pain K, given that the Plan gives the Uyghurs a say, how is Plan an erasure of them?

5. How is the Plan's purely Derridian ethical motives a colonial logic?

6. How does having dialogue and a working group translate into "imperial domination"?

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CX of the 1NC:

 

I have six questions b/ the first two are super short.

 

1. Status of each off?

cap k is unconditional, cp and the other k are

2. NB to CP?

it more funcions like a case turn-ish kinda cp, meaning its a squo kinda solvency argument

3. On the Cap K, how does your "materialist criticism" connect theory with action? Where does it mandate the thought AND action that makes up praxis?

sure-- this is the beauty of praxis. The Tumino card talks about what Karl Marx once called historical materialism-- viewing history through the lens of class struggle, and how it shapes material struggles all throughout history. In short, Tumino argues that attempts to glaze over material problems in society through material solutions masks the struggles of billions of people, silenced and shunted aside by capitalism (the Daly and Zizek evidence does a wonderful job at explaining more about this), and calls for us to interrogate the ideologies underlying such material problems. Through this we can re-think how to combat capitalist structures of power (e.g. subversion of the system)-- but the first step is here, in the reorientation of discourse towards revolutionary anti-capitalist praxis-- you can think of it as a step in the right direction.

4. On the Pain K, given that the Plan gives the Uyghurs a say, how is Plan an erasure of them?

it only fosters more dialouge with the PRC over uighyurs-- there's nothing that talks about how the uighyurs themselves get any say.

5. How is the Plan's purely Derridian ethical motives a colonial logic?

for one, you use the state to decolonize, which is itself an issue, but more importantly you're impressing what the USFG percieves as "right" and "moral" upon the PRC.

6. How does having dialogue and a working group translate into "imperial domination"?

ain't much of a dialouge and working group (that's the case debate if you want to look more) but the previous question is good at handling this question as well.

 

open to follow up questions

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