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1AC word count? (This is merely a technicality)

 

 

What is the "white wall/black hole system"? DnG card.

 

 

The Vaz and Bruno card talks about how self-policing surveillance causes people to fit a "cookie cutter" shape. From my understanding, it says that people simply push to fit a norm. Where does this actually say anything regarding state surveillance?

 

 

What are the "signifiers" the Robinson card discusses?

 

 

What is "freaking faciality and its accompanying whiteness"?

 

 

What does the advocacy do?

 

 

What does voting aff do?

 

 

You say race is creative (Saldanha), what does this mean?

 

 

What is the ROTB outlined in Evans and Pollard?

 

 

Maybe followups, 1NC will be up in the next few days, if not tonight.

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CX:

 

1AC word count? (This is merely a technicality) 2245

 

 

What is the "white wall/black hole system"? DnG card. The white wall is the master-signifier by which all identities are compared, i.e. the white face, and the black hole is that which determines the degrees of legitimacy among those who are compared. 

 

 

The Vaz and Bruno card talks about how self-policing surveillance causes people to fit a "cookie cutter" shape. From my understanding, it says that people simply push to fit a norm. Where does this actually say anything regarding state surveillance? It's a question of how discipline now manifests itself. We believe that we live in the past-panoptic era where power is diffused through the individual and they conceive themselves based on a polarity that is externally projected, i.e. faciality. 

 

 

What are the "signifiers" the Robinson card discusses? The visual demarcations that provide faciality the ability to project deviance onto particular bodies, i.e. phenotypes.

 

 

What is "freaking faciality and its accompanying whiteness"? we believe that affirming the process of becoming is one that destabalizes the static categories that render faciality coherent. saldhana uses freak to describe identity as something that cannot be conceptualized through static categories. 

 

 

What does the advocacy do?  above

 

 

What does voting aff do? Affirms becoming as a way to subvert faciality, reverses the monopolization of knowledge that renders liberalism a coherent system

 

 

You say race is creative (Saldanha), what does this mean? it has the ability to be conceptualized sans static categories.

 

 

What is the ROTB outlined in Evans and Pollard? rob are lame -- roj is to be an educator which is up to interpretation. 

 

 

Maybe followups, 1NC will be up in the next few days, if not tonight.

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What is the "white wall/black hole system"? DnG card. The white wall is the master-signifier by which all identities are compared, i.e. the white face, and the black hole is that which determines the degrees of legitimacy among those who are compared. 

Is the white wall literally contextual to white bodies?

 

 

 

What is "freaking faciality and its accompanying whiteness"? we believe that affirming the process of becoming is one that destabalizes the static categories that render faciality coherent. saldhana uses freak to describe identity as something that cannot be conceptualized through static categories. 

Does this mean that identity is something that can/should not be limited, or that identity is fluid?

 

 

 

Follow ups. That's probably all.

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What is the "white wall/black hole system"? DnG card. The white wall is the master-signifier by which all identities are compared, i.e. the white face, and the black hole is that which determines the degrees of legitimacy among those who are compared. 


Is the white wall literally contextual to white bodies?


The White Man Face yee


 


What is "freaking faciality and its accompanying whiteess"? we believe that affirming the process of becoming is one that destabalizes the static categories that render faciality coherent. saldhana uses freak to describe identity as something that cannot be conceptualized through static categories. 


Does this mean that identity is something that can/should not be limited, or that identity is fluid?


Identity cannot be stable, it's in flux, fluid, etc.


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What is the "white wall/black hole system"? DnG card. The white wall is the master-signifier by which all identities are compared, i.e. the white face, and the black hole is that which determines the degrees of legitimacy among those who are compared. 

Is the white wall literally contextual to white bodies?

The White Man Face yee

 

What is "freaking faciality and its accompanying whiteess"? we believe that affirming the process of becoming is one that destabalizes the static categories that render faciality coherent. saldhana uses freak to describe identity as something that cannot be conceptualized through static categories. 

Does this mean that identity is something that can/should not be limited, or that identity is fluid?

Identity cannot be stable, it's in flux, fluid, etc.

 

A'ight, I'm at school rn. 1NC up later

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What is the "white wall/black hole system"? DnG card. The white wall is the master-signifier by which all identities are compared, i.e. the white face, and the black hole is that which determines the degrees of legitimacy among those who are compared. 

Is the white wall literally contextual to white bodies?

The White Man Face yee

 

What is "freaking faciality and its accompanying whiteess"? we believe that affirming the process of becoming is one that destabalizes the static categories that render faciality coherent. saldhana uses freak to describe identity as something that cannot be conceptualized through static categories. 

Does this mean that identity is something that can/should not be limited, or that identity is fluid?

Identity cannot be stable, it's in flux, fluid, etc.

Actually, one more. What kind of identity is being treated as static? Just race?

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Actually, one more. What kind of identity is being treated as static? Just race?

all is -- the 1ac identifies race as a primary source of opression but doesn't deny benefits of methodological pluralism.

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Cool, cx. 

 

General

 

status of the off?

 

FW

 

Ground loss? 

 

"we can’t disagree with the fundamental position of advocacy the affirmatives takes. The round becomes a lecture about whatever they want." -- are the criticisms not direct refutations to the 1ac? If not, why doesn't it justify a permutation. 

 

The English ev just vaguely claims that someone said debate helped a ton -- what about this evidence makes a distinction between critical and policy debate?

 

Wilderson

 

the wilderson ev says that black bodies aren't human -- what about post-humanism is bad?

 

what does it mean to call for the end of the world?

 

 

Academy

 

what's the link?

 

your ev is indicative of literal university instutions/higher academia -- what about debate makes it somehow complicit with these systems?

 

if not debate, where should we frame activism?

 

Case

 

Why is space col good?

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Cool, cx. 

 

General

 

status of the off?

Condo

 

FW

 

Ground loss? 

We lose the ability to debate specifically what the aff  does, and that gives the affirmative the upper hand,  as they can claim to outweigh through specificity. 

 

"we can’t disagree with the fundamental position of advocacy the affirmatives takes. The round becomes a lecture about whatever they want." -- are the criticisms not direct refutations to the 1ac? If not, why doesn't it justify a permutation. 

The claim is "If" a team cannot disagree. At the point in time in which a team can't debate on neg because the advocacy is unpredictable, it literally becomes a lecture where the aff gets to talk about whatever books they've been reading - While the criticisms are refutations of the aff, it goes beyond this round and into future ones.

 

The English ev just vaguely claims that someone said debate helped a ton -- what about this evidence makes a distinction between critical and policy debate?

Not as much the distinction between different kinds of debate, but rather that the education we get through clash in the debate space. The "vague claims" of debate helping are an example where someone's debate skills actually became real world, and helped with their career.

 

Wilderson

 

the wilderson ev says that black bodies aren't human -- what about post-humanism is bad?

The argument here is that you say everyone has subjectivity, and that needs to be exposed to break down the harms of the 1AC. However, the nonhuman, the socially dead - the slave, lacks this subjectivity to begin with.

 

 

what does it mean to call for the end of the world?

Not the world, but civil society. We must call attention to antagonisms against the black body, that are not called to attention within civil society - Take the woman in the Wilderson card, her concerns were never faced by politicians, and if they were, they were questions that were raised almost as if by accident.

 

Academy

 

what's the link?

The assumption that the university is a place of resistance - The argument that Wesling makes is that interjecting white resistance into the academy obfuscates daily acts of violence against black and brown bodies in academic spaces.

 

your ev is indicative of literal university institutions/higher academia -- what about debate makes it somehow complicit with these systems?

Referring only to the literal universities is oversimplification, it's a larger criticism of academia as a whole. Debate is inherently based in the academy, most of your authors (if not all) are scholars and professors.

 

if not debate, where should we frame activism?

We aren't replacing, we offer an alternative pathway of resistance that targets the structural barriers within the academy that enables us to critique things.

 

Case

 

Why is space col good?

The Gott evidence says that extinction will happen - We don't know when, we don't know how, and that's what makes it insidious. However, if something happens on earth that would cause extinction, we have a "life insurance policy", a second chance, in space.

 

are you a black body

I am white, however Wilderson also believes that whites must call for an end to their own subjectivity.

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What affirmatives are allowed under your interpretation?

 

 

What does the aff do to curtail surveillance?

 

 

How does the English ev double turn subpoint (a) on the process impact?

 

 

Where do we define a topical actor?

 

 

Link to the first DA?

 

 

 

Wilderson

The Bignall evidence indicates that whiteness holds power over racial minorities -How are white people claiming that race is fluid not also defining racial minorities?

 

 

 

Academy

Why is the debate space key for the advocacy  to create change?

 

 

 

Case

What is the theory behind necropolitics and panopticism?

 

 

 

 

Huh, just realized your partner Collin was in my JDI lab.

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What affirmatives are allowed under your interpretation? I mean, ours, survival strategy affs about resisting surveillance (I think something like Skyline's), Centennial read one about rejecting surveillance through methods, counter-gazing, etc. strategies can also include policy affs which means we access lots of your args. 

 

 

What does the aff do to curtail surveillance? surveillance is only able to sustain itself insofar that it is able to create and order 'data doubles' of a person -- the 1ac rejects this categorization by recognizing race as fluid and contingent and not something static. 

 

 

How does the English ev double turn subpoint (a) on the process impact?  if knowledge can be gained in other activities institutional knowledge can as well

 

 

Where do we define a topical actor? You don't, so we did. 

 

 

 

Link to the first DA? your attempt to find meaning and truth cliams through an interpretation which is a claim that we say is funamentally incoherent because it assumes a point of knowledge of which we say cannot wholly exist. 

 

 

 

Wilderson

The Bignall evidence indicates that whiteness holds power over racial minorities -How are white people claiming that race is fluid not also defining racial minorities? that's not rly the argument -- bignall says that whiteness is maintained as coherent because it is able to demand the repitition of subjectivity through staticness

 

 

 

Academy

Why is the debate space key for the advocacy  to create change? a.  it's the only space where some people can speak b. it's a good forum to disseminate knowledge c. national exposure

 

 

 

Case

What is the theory behind necropolitics and panopticism? necropolitics is the right to kill, and the 1ac doesn't affirm panoptic understandings of surveillance.

 

 

 

 

Huh, just realized your partner Collin was in my JDI lab. Lol, yeah we got split up for some idiotic reason.

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What is the theory behind necropolitics and panopticism? necropolitics is the right to kill, and the 1ac doesn't affirm panoptic understandings of surveillance.

 

"an assemblage of panoptic mechanisms in order to control the population" Your first card says otherwise...? How does necropolitics contrast from biopower's power over bodies?

 

 

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What is the theory behind necropolitics and panopticism? necropolitics is the right to kill, and the 1ac doesn't affirm panoptic understandings of surveillance.

 

"an assemblage of panoptic mechanisms in order to control the population" Your first card says otherwise...? How does necropolitics contrast from biopower's power over bodies?

 

 

 

biopower is a nebulous term that generally describes the control of life. necropolitics it the logic of death-making. i.e. good biopower would be something like a stoplight because it is intended to influence the individual behaviour, but something like black youth getting killed by white cops, etc.

 

clarification on the panopticon thing -- we don't endorse traditional understandings of the panopticon, i.e. chilling effect stuff, rather our argument is more complex and based on signifiers, and how an individual views themselves and others in relation to those signifiers. 

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biopower is a nebulous term that generally describes the control of life. necropolitics it the logic of death-making. i.e. good biopower would be something like a stoplight because it is intended to influence the individual behaviour, but something like black youth getting killed by white cops, etc.

 

clarification on the panopticon thing -- we don't endorse traditional understandings of the panopticon, i.e. chilling effect stuff, rather our argument is more complex and based on signifiers, and how an individual views themselves and others in relation to those signifiers. 

Is death-making not a control over life?

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