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I know a perm is like a do bothdo the plan then all non-competitive parts of the CP/ALT. But what IS a Perm? how does it interact with the Alt or CP and net benefits? 

 

How do you create a good perm and defend it?

 

How do you defeat a perm? (Lol, I normally just drop the perm and lose on it :D

 

 

Also, what is a severance perm and what are the different types of perms?

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Most people sum it up by saying that a perm is a test of competition.  Basically, a perm says that it is possible to do both the neg advocacy and the aff advocacy, which is a reason that the judge cannot vote for the CP / alt.  An example would be perm - criticize historical materialism and pass the original freedom act.  This is saying that the judge should not vote on the cap K because it isn't competitive; the aff can simply pass their plan and throw in the alt to the K as well.  So the perm is saying that even if the CP / alt is a good idea, the CP / alt is NOT a reason to vote against the plan.

 

To defeat a perm, the key is to reinforce the competition, for example, if the aff read an econ advantage then you can explain that the perm is impossible because the aff cannot claim economic growth and at the same time criticize the capitalist system.  Also, make sure you win the link to the net benefit if its a CP - if the plan links to something that the CP does not link to, then doing both would still cause the DA and that means the perm would be worse than just doing the CP, causing the neg to still be winning the cp / da.

 

Severance is an neg answer to the perm.  Basically its saying that saying it is possible to do the aff and neg advocacies is severing from the original aff advocacy.  Usual it isn't legit, but in my example it probably is:  if the aff say the perm of criticizing historical materialism and passing the original freedom act is legit by dropping  the econ adv - thus avoiding the answer that you can't claim econ growth and criticize it - the neg would say that the aff is severing from their original warrants for passing the FA, and also say that is abusive.

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Thanks!

 

Most people sum it up by saying that a perm is a test of competition.  Basically, a perm says that it is possible to do both the neg advocacy and the aff advocacy, which is a reason that the judge cannot vote for the CP / alt.  An example would be perm - criticize historical materialism and pass the original freedom act.  This is saying that the judge should not vote on the cap K because it isn't competitive; the aff can simply pass their plan and throw in the alt to the K as well.  So the perm is saying that even if the CP / alt is a good idea, the CP / alt is NOT a reason to vote against the plan.

 

To defeat a perm, the key is to reinforce the competition, for example, if the aff read an econ advantage then you can explain that the perm is impossible because the aff cannot claim economic growth and at the same time criticize the capitalist system.  Also, make sure you win the link to the net benefit if its a CP - if the plan links to something that the CP does not link to, then doing both would still cause the DA and that means the perm would be worse than just doing the CP, causing the neg to still be winning the cp / da.

 

Severance is an neg answer to the perm.  Basically its saying that "saying it is possible to do the Aff and Neg advocacies is severing from the original aff advocacy".  Usual it isn't legit, but in my example it probably is:  if the aff say the perm of criticizing historical materialism and passing the original freedom act is legit by dropping  the econ adv - thus avoiding the answer that you can't claim econ growth and criticize it - the neg would say that the aff is severing from their original warrants for passing the FA, and also say that is abusive.

 

So how would a severance perm look? 

 

Are there any other types of perms?

 

Perm: Aff is severing out of their original advocacies?

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Thanks!

 

 

So how would a severance perm look? 

 

Are there any other types of perms?

 

Perm: Aff is severing out of their original advocacies?

 

 

Well for something to be explicitly a severance perm, it would have to be something along the lines of perm - do the CP, that is, blatantly severing from the aff.  Not only is this not theoretically legitimate, but it means the perm looses it's main advantage, which is proving that the CP isn't a reason to vote against the plan.  This is because severing from the aff to do the CP is basically conceding that the CP is a better idea.  If you hear a perm like this, tell the judge to flow it for the neg team.  A more practical severance perm severs out of just one part of the plan - for example, if the aff curtailed two different types of surveillance and the DA with the CP linked only to one of them, he off could say perm - do the plan minus _____.  Also a little abusive.

 

Other types of common perms include perm - do the cp then the plan, for example, if the neg read courts / tpp ptx a good perm might be to wait until the TPP passes, then do the plan - thus avoiding the impx to the DA and still passing the plan.  

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Well for something to be explicitly severance perm, it would have to be something along the lines of perm - do the CP, that is, blatantly severing from the aff.  Not only is this not theoretically legitimate, but it means the perm looses it's main advantage, which is proving that the CP isn't a reason to vote against the plan.  This is because severing from the aff to do the CP is basically conceding that the CP is a better idea.  If you hear a perm like this, tell the judge to flow it for the neg team.  A more practical severance perm severs out of just one part of the plan - for example, if the aff curtailed two different types of surveillance and the DA with the CP linked only to one of them, he off could say perm - do the plan minus _____.  Also a little abusive.

 

Other types of common perms include perm - do the cp then the plan, for example, if the neg read courts / tpp ptx a good perm might be to wait until the TPP passes, then do the plan - thus avoiding the impx to the DA and still passing the plan.  

 

Genius.. This would have solved so many problems this year, like for real- I am in Washington (State), I think I hit like a Billion TPP disads (I was a novi this year). I read some defense and some turns and they dropped the DisAd, but this perm would have helped so much!

 

Can you answer all politics disads like this?

What would the neg say? Is this a bad arg or is it just not widely used???

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How  does one answer the permutation double-bind on the alt to the K?

Prove the link, the impact, and the alt. If you mean permutation if the alt is strong enough to overcome the links or the alternative cannot overcome the link therefore no solvency. Just prove alt solvency for the specific instance of the aff and impact it out?

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