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I am cutting a Bernie Sanders election da and im trying to think of links to how bernie sanders could win. i have already thought of drones and racism as a link and that is the only one i have.

 

also would this work as a performance solvency deficit?

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I am cutting a Bernie Sanders election da and im trying to think of links to how bernie sanders could win. i have already thought of drones and racism as a link and that is the only one i have.

 

also would this work as a performance solvency deficit?

I mean, if you want to make life hard for yourself...the road to a Sanders win is very narrow; it requires Clinton to fall (actually pretty likely at this point between the emails and the fact that she's just not a good politician), no better Democrat to jump in the race (unlikely, Biden will almost certainly rush in to save the Dems from a Sanders candidacy), and then for Sanders to win a general election (nearly impossible against any sane Republican; his best chance is probably a Trump win that results in a break up of the Republicans or a viable third party spoiler). And then you have to figure out how something related to surveillance can make all that happen...

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no! what i am saying is hilary loses and the self describes socialist that is bernie sanders wins. so therfore the socialism is the impact. we need links that makes it to where the plan causes bernie to win.

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no! what i am saying is hilary loses and the self describes socialist that is bernie sanders wins. so therfore the socialism is the impact. we need links that makes it to where the plan causes bernie to win.

Yes, that's my point. You would need some mechanism where a surveillance policy causes Hillary to drop out, Biden not to enter, and Trump to win the Republican nomination in order to show a link to Sanders winning. I'm fairly sure that mechanism does not exist.

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I think impact turns could beat this DA easily, too. Bernie is  probably better for everyone except for white billionaires. 

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I am cutting a Bernie Sanders election da and im trying to think of links to how bernie sanders could win. i have already thought of drones and racism as a link and that is the only one i have.

 

also would this work as a performance solvency deficit?

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I mean, if you want to make life hard for yourself...the road to a Sanders win is very narrow; it requires Clinton to fall (actually pretty likely at this point between the emails and the fact that she's just not a good politician), no better Democrat to jump in the race (unlikely, Biden will almost certainly rush in to save the Dems from a Sanders candidacy), and then for Sanders to win a general election (nearly impossible against any sane Republican; his best chance is probably a Trump win that results in a break up of the Republicans or a viable third party spoiler). And then you have to figure out how something related to surveillance can make all that happen...

I'm not sure I agree with this. I agree that if/when Biden hops in that could be an issue for Sanders, but I think that if he is able to make it past the primaries he has a more than decent chance of beating any of the republican candidates. Also, I think you're underestimating the possibility that Trump wins in the primaries.

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I would recommend not to run elections DA until after the primary. Reason being; you have to prove that not only will the certain candidate will win the primary but beat out any potential opponent. The final elections are in a year so many things can happen that it will be very hard to win uniqueness 

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I mean, if you want to make life hard for yourself...the road to a Sanders win is very narrow; it requires Clinton to fall (actually pretty likely at this point between the emails and the fact that she's just not a good politician), no better Democrat to jump in the race (unlikely, Biden will almost certainly rush in to save the Dems from a Sanders candidacy), and then for Sanders to win a general election (nearly impossible against any sane Republican; his best chance is probably a Trump win that results in a break up of the Republicans or a viable third party spoiler). And then you have to figure out how something related to surveillance can make all that happen...

The road is not narrow, my friend, it is about 400,000 people wide. Polls already show Bernie beating all the GOP frontrunners - don't forget, only about 20% of Americans actually agree with the GOP platform. Republicans are a small but active minority (electorally and financially). They ALWAYS vote. Democrats - not so much. That is why Bernie has the best chance t won the general election. In the 2014 elections, 635 - that's 2/3 - of voters did not vote. That is how Democrats lose. All the Republicans come out to vote because they are scared shtless that their country is being taken over by African Muslims and Feminazis. For them, voting is a case of survival. 

Bernie makes a very good point in all his speeches, and that is that he will need to win on the wave of a grassroots movement. One that gets that 63% off the couch and into the voting booth. If he can do that even a little bit, he will win easily.

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The road is not narrow, my friend, it is about 400,000 people wide. Polls already show Bernie beating all the GOP frontrunners - don't forget, only about 20% of Americans actually agree with the GOP platform. Republicans are a small but active minority (electorally and financially). They ALWAYS vote. Democrats - not so much. That is why Bernie has the best chance t won the general election. In the 2014 elections, 635 - that's 2/3 - of voters did not vote. That is how Democrats lose. All the Republicans come out to vote because they are scared shtless that their country is being taken over by African Muslims and Feminazis. For them, voting is a case of survival. 

Bernie makes a very good point in all his speeches, and that is that he will need to win on the wave of a grassroots movement. One that gets that 63% off the couch and into the voting booth. If he can do that even a little bit, he will win easily.

Recent head to head polling puts Sanders way behind Carson, behind Fiorina, tied with Bush, and ahead of Trump: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2283

 

Of course, polls are pretty meaningless at this stage, but as a practical matter, the Dem base hasn't shown any inclination to show up in droves for angry old white guys. The country is actually divided fairly evenly between the parties, and when polled ideologically tends to self-describe as about 20% liberal, 40% moderate, 40% conservative. You may want to get out of Harvard and see what your intellectual inferiors really think about politics :). In the general election, the Dems have a problem if they nominate Sanders or Clinton; Clinton because she combines Clinton ethics with Gore personality, and Sanders because moderates won't support him, Republicans will turn out in droves to oppose a self-described socialist, and he probably can't thread the needle between the identity politics wing of the far left and the union members who support him on economics. The Republicans have a big problem if they nominate Trump, because libertarians will stay home or vote Democrat, and Hispanics will turn out in droves to vote against him.

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I disagree. I am not sure what you call a "moderate" Democrat, but I would expect they would fall into the 60-70% that support Bernie's proposals:

67% support “Medicare for All” Single payer health care:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/229959-majority-still-support-single-payer-option-poll-finds

63% Support Free Tuition at public colleges: 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/230064-poll-majority-support-obamas-free-tuition-planb

64% support increasing corporate taxes:

http://www.people-press.org/2015/03/19/federal-tax-system-seen-in-need-of-overhaul/

61% support increasing taxes on the wealthy:

http://www.people-press.org/2015/03/19/federal-tax-system-seen-in-need-of-overhaul/

63% support a $15 minimum wage:

http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/2015/03/Minimum-Wage-Poll-Memo-Jan-2015.pdf

 

Moreover, 215 economists support Bernie’s proposal of a $15 Minimum Wage as well – they even submitted a petition to Congress: http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/index.cfm/2015/7/top-economists-are-backing-sen-bernie-sanders-on-establishing-a-15-an-hour-minimum-wage

 

In addition there is this infographic:

http://reverbpress.com/politics/datalog/americans-agree-bernie-sanders/

 

AS FAR AS REPUBLICANS TURNING OUT IN DROVES GAINST BERNIE:

1. Bernie consistently wins between 25% and 50% of the Republican vote in Vermont  (and these are hard core GOP'ers)

2. Bernie already polls much much better with Independents than any other candidate, and 5x better than Clinton:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/17/1422117/-Poll-of-Independents-Sanders-45-Trump-26-HRC-9#

3. The "Republicans for Bernie Sanders FB page has over 11,000 Likes - the same page for Hillary has 283.

 

I AGREE that a Clinton nomination will be catnip to Republicans - it would be like having Gay Marriage and Overturning Roe v. Wade all in one as far as getting them out to the polls. But Bernie's message resonates with Independents and Republicans alike - he has a real chance of getting back some of those "Reagan Democrats" that turned things around for Ronnie back in 1980.

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Some of this is almost certainly terrible polling questions.  

 

thehill.com doesn't seem to give any information on who conducted the survey or what their methodology was (notably, what was the actual question).  One of your links doesn't even work.

 

People-press at least tells you what the questions were, but some of the questions are terrible.  Why don't people think corporations are paying their fair share?  Is the tax rate too low (do they even know what corporate tax rates are?) or are they worried about companies relocating overseas to pay less taxes?  I can't tell from the question that was asked, and that's an important difference. (Edit: Fun fact, our corporate tax rate is almost double 'socialist rolemodel' Sweden)

 

(And some of this is just people being stupid. Yes, free education for all would be great... until you realize that federal subsidies for education have been the primary driver of increases in college costs over the last 30 years, according to the federal government's own research).

 

The 'top economists support minimum wage' link is even more laughable, because I'm not convinced there's a single top economist on that list.  Most of the schools those economists represent aren't even second rate universities.  (Amherst is the only school that jumped out at me as having a great reputation, and its so far left that I'm dubious a top rate economist could get hired there.)  Where's the Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, or University of Chicago professors?  Heck, where's Krugman?  If you can't get him onboard an economically left petition, its probably not well-reasoned.

 

Further, the language of the petition is not the language of top rate economists.  All decent economists treat minimum wage like what it is, a price floor, and will certainly concede that raising it will reduce jobs.  Which isn't necessarily fatal, but they won't pretend it isn't a factor.  (The effect is small, because most people don't work for minimum wage, and it doesn't happen overnight because automation takes years to implement effectively). And with a single, highly criticized exception, all relevant studies have found such an effect.

 

You also don't get to say things like "But the weight of evidence from the extensive professional literature has, for decades, consistently found that no significant effects on employment opportunities result when the minimum wage rises in reasonable increments." and then follow it with a statement like "We recognize that raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour as of 2020 would entail an increase that is significantly above the typical pattern with federal minimum wage increases", and imply that those studies support such a hike, and then expect anyone to take you seriously.  That's not a 'reasonable increment' by any stretch.  You also don't get to pretend that a 6% cost increase in the price of a Big Mac isn't significant inflation by hiding that fact behind absolute value language designed to make it seem smaller than it is (only 7 cents per year over 4 years!) if you're truly an expert on economics.

 

Regarding how US Voters actually identify themselves:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx

 

24% liberal, 38% conservative, 34% moderate.  Source also breaks down how that maps onto party identity.

 

I disagree. I am not sure what you call a "moderate" Democrat, but I would expect they would fall into the 60-70% that support Bernie's proposals:

67% support “Medicare for All” Single payer health care:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/229959-majority-still-support-single-payer-option-poll-finds

63% Support Free Tuition at public colleges: 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/230064-poll-majority-support-obamas-free-tuition-planb

64% support increasing corporate taxes:

http://www.people-press.org/2015/03/19/federal-tax-system-seen-in-need-of-overhaul/

61% support increasing taxes on the wealthy:

http://www.people-press.org/2015/03/19/federal-tax-system-seen-in-need-of-overhaul/

63% support a $15 minimum wage:

http://www.nelp.org/content/uploads/2015/03/Minimum-Wage-Poll-Memo-Jan-2015.pdf

 

Moreover, 215 economists support Bernie’s proposal of a $15 Minimum Wage as well – they even submitted a petition to Congress: http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/index.cfm/2015/7/top-economists-are-backing-sen-bernie-sanders-on-establishing-a-15-an-hour-minimum-wage

 

In addition there is this infographic:

http://reverbpress.com/politics/datalog/americans-agree-bernie-sanders/

 

AS FAR AS REPUBLICANS TURNING OUT IN DROVES GAINST BERNIE:

1. Bernie consistently wins between 25% and 50% of the Republican vote in Vermont  (and these are hard core GOP'ers)

2. Bernie already polls much much better with Independents than any other candidate, and 5x better than Clinton:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/17/1422117/-Poll-of-Independents-Sanders-45-Trump-26-HRC-9#

3. The "Republicans for Bernie Sanders FB page has over 11,000 Likes - the same page for Hillary has 283.

 

I AGREE that a Clinton nomination will be catnip to Republicans - it would be like having Gay Marriage and Overturning Roe v. Wade all in one as far as getting them out to the polls. But Bernie's message resonates with Independents and Republicans alike - he has a real chance of getting back some of those "Reagan Democrats" that turned things around for Ronnie back in 1980.

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