flyingjakob 2 Report post Posted August 9, 2015 Hiya, I'm cutting a border surveillance AFF and am wondering what types of advantages there are other than the obvious cartels and economy advantages. I'm thinking about the possibility of a drones advantage, but would love to hear your thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashJ596 25 Report post Posted August 9, 2015 Are you just going to be disbanding the borders? or is there anything specific you want to do? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jai127 40 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Are you just going to be disbanding the borders? or is there anything specific you want to do? ^ This. What exactly is your aff saying? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashJ596 25 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 ^ This. What exactly is your aff saying? Exactly! I have an aff where we abolish the borders in general, and my other one says that takes away the CBP agents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylerbuckner 1164 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Exactly! I have an aff where we abolish the borders in general, and my other one says that takes away the CBP agents. abolishing borders (if it's policy) probably links super hard to a marihuana disad as well as a terror disad, which seems worse than adovacting a general decrease or a decrease in the surveillance leaving the physical walls in tact. If it's critical it's probably easier to go that's xenophobic quit no risk of terror from border, which is what I do with my borders aff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashJ596 25 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 abolishing borders (if it's policy) probably links super hard to a marihuana disad as well as a terror disad, which seems worse than adovacting a general decrease or a decrease in the surveillance leaving the physical walls in tact. If it's critical it's probably easier to go that's xenophobic quit no risk of terror from border, which is what I do with my borders aff. Yeah to be honest we prepped the terror DA really well and marihuana DA okish. The CBP agents is a bit more fun for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jai127 40 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Yeah to be honest we prepped the terror DA really well and marihuana DA okish. The CBP agents is a bit more fun for me. Wait how does your CBP aff have solvency if no one is patrolling the border? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashJ596 25 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Wait how does your CBP aff have solvency if no one is patrolling the border? well I have two. One talking about the CBP effecting the US populous and talks about how they aren't needed. The other aff gains solvency because the CBP agents aren't really necessary because of drones, cameras, fencing, and the other stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingjakob 2 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 Are you just going to be disbanding the borders? or is there anything specific you want to do? ^ This. What exactly is your aff saying? The AFF essentially just gets rid of the borders Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jai127 40 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 The AFF essentially just gets rid of the borders That's really ambiguous LOL. Are you getting rid of the physical barriers of the border? Or does your aff get rid of the concept of national borders? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashJ596 25 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 The AFF essentially just gets rid of the borders If you're just getting rid of borders, I could give you the aff and 2AC files my team made in the summer, its pretty different compared to the open evidence one. If anyone wants it, just PM me, we could trade or something 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KimJongUn 664 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 I have my Donald Trump K for anyone looking for neg strats against this aff. PM me. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jobas 453 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 why the hell are there so many borders affs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylerbuckner 1164 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 why the hell are there so many borders NSA affs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jai127 40 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 why the hell are there so many borders NSA Islamophobia affs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jobas 453 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 no, but seriously, why borders? it's pretty awful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylerbuckner 1164 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 no, but seriously, why borders? it's pretty awful policy version is for sure. It has good topical access to critical stuff and some ID Ptx. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jobas 453 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 policy version is for sure. It has good topical access to critical stuff and some ID Ptx. sure, but (and I know most people on this website don't care) the aff is hella untopical and there are several structural issues with the way it functions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylerbuckner 1164 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 sure, but (and I know most people on this website don't care) the aff is hella untopical and there are several structural issues with the way it functions true, we read an immigration aff and just critique the notion of legal/illegal the border represents (which we wrote before Mich put out that aff >_>), and our plan text is to curtail immigration surveillance, which entails the surveillance on the border but not the border itself. It's basically a security aff, but it's more T than "substantially curtail border surveillance". So you are definitely right, insofar someone is running something like cap or racism, but if you play it right it's easier. Plus there's always RVI's /s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KimJongUn 664 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 I have my Donald Trump K for anyone looking for neg strats against this aff. PM me. For the NUMEROUS people who have PM'd me asking to see the Trump K, there is a new 1NC shell complete! Here's a tagline: Gender empower movements cause endless bloodshed - especially from one's eyes - turns caseTrump 15 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jobas 453 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 true, we read an immigration aff and just critique the notion of legal/illegal the border represents (which we wrote before Mich put out that aff >_>), and our plan text is to curtail immigration surveillance, which entails the surveillance on the border but not the border itself. It's basically a security aff, but it's more T than "substantially curtail border surveillance". So you are definitely right, insofar someone is running something like cap or racism, but if you play it right it's easier. Plus there's always RVI's /s. I mean, that's not the T question. My arg would be domestic = US citizens Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylerbuckner 1164 Report post Posted August 10, 2015 I mean, that's not the T question. My arg would be domestic = US citizens Which is probably the hardest thing to beat on the aff considering there's link turns to about everything, but there's good c/i lit about how if it can be foreign intel in the us + probs bites the "Domestic T is a form of exclusive citizenry the aff critiques by limiting the debate to be exclusively about the 'legals' " or whatever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jai127 40 Report post Posted August 11, 2015 For the NUMEROUS people who have PM'd me asking to see the Trump K, there is a new 1NC shell complete! Here's a tagline: Gender empower movements cause endless bloodshed - especially from one's eyes - turns case Trump 15 Is this really real LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jobas 453 Report post Posted August 11, 2015 Is this really real LOL you need a lesson in trolling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KimJongUn 664 Report post Posted August 11, 2015 Is this really real LOL Of course! Here's a conversation I had earlier today where I explained the thesis pretty fucking well. This is like, overview of TOC finals quality explanation of DnG so don't steal it 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
