deb8lover 56 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 If the link is the USfg, it's called a politics DA. .... smh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snarf 3598 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 What if you say that there are alt causes to cap (besides the plan) and the team running cap 1) doesn't say alt solves, 2) concedes that the alt can't solve, and 3) doesn't have any warrants as to why it's the root cause nor every instance key? Also what if the link is like "you use the usfg, the usfg is capitalist" If you win the alt doesn't solve, the debate becomes a lot more complicated for the neg and easier for the aff. Most cap teams would try one of five things: linear case turns (every cap action makes the aff's impacts works), risk of alt solvency is enough, try or die (in various forms), framework/ROB tricks (rob=fight capitalism; ontology first) and ethics (better to do no more capitalism even if we can't do less; this is also a form of framework but is done often enough that it deserves its own thing). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coconuts 872 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 What if you say that there are alt causes to cap (besides the plan) and the team running cap 1) doesn't say alt solves, 2) concedes that the alt can't solve, and 3) doesn't have any warrants as to why it's the root cause nor every instance key? Also what if the link is like "you use the usfg, the usfg is capitalist" 1) Then you win. You have won the alt can't solve, there's only a risk that the plan solves exintiction, try or die aff. 2) You say the alternative cannot resolve the links because the state is inevitable for xyz, and then you say the status quo overwhelms the link itself because of all of the state based plans in the squo, then the try or die framing above because they cannot resolve the state links. If they can, the alternative can overcome the links to the plan. Classic perm double bind arg is really good here imo. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deb8lover 56 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 perm double bind arg Pls confirm that this is "perm do the plan and all non-mutually exclusive parts of the alt" -- some ppl have told me that the perm double bind is like "do alt in all other instances" which is kinda dumb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coconuts 872 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 Pls confirm that this is "perm do the plan and all non-mutually exclusive parts of the alt" -- some ppl have told me that the perm double bind is like "do alt in all other instances" which is kinda dumb Permutation do both; either the alternative does not solve because the links to the status quo overwhelm the link to the plan or the alternative does solve and can also overcome the link to the aff. Something along those lines. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BReid 2 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 Say capitalism is good. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edgehopper 397 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 Say capitalism is good. Empirically true, supported by copious amounts of evidence, simple, straightforward...how could this possibly work?? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coconuts 872 Report post Posted June 15, 2015 Empirically true, supported by copious amounts of evidence, simple, straightforward...how could this possibly work?? As it turns out, both are supported by copious amounts of evidence, are simply and straightforward, and empirics can be argued for either.... how could this possibly work? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miro 1470 Report post Posted June 16, 2015 I think the best way to understand it is as-- the impact is an impact to the squo, the link is a reason the perm doesn't work, and the alt resolves the problems of squo. ie. the alt resolves capitalism which solves for the impact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
