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SOUTH W/ THAT BRONX QUARTERS BID THO
 

  Best judge: henry ('s dad)

Best coach: henry ('s dad)
Best squad/school: henry (and leo)
Best team: henry (and leo)
Best novice team: henry ('s novices)
Best aff team: henry (and leo)
Best neg team: henry (and leo)
Best 1a: henry ('s aff - u shld tell me wut it is)
Best 2a: henry ('s partner leo)
Best 1n: henry ('s partner leo)
Best 2n: henry
Best kritik debater: henry ('s fire 2nr's on marx)
Best straight-up policy debater: henry
Best negative position: henry ('s 2nrs)
Best aff: henry ('s aff that won octas)
Most untopical aff: henry ('s aff)
Most persuasive speaker: henry
Most helpful person: henry
Most hardworking debater: henry
Fastest debater: henry
Best debater overall: henry (saenger)
Funniest debater: henry (wen he goes for marx)
Most fun debater to judge/watch: henry
Most improved team: henry (and leo)
Most Underrated team: henry
 
there u go
 
brian u shld hybrid w/ me
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SOUTH W/ THAT BRONX QUARTERS BID THO

 

  Best judge: mark little or tom lininger or dylan

Best coach: mark little

Best squad/school: lincoln

Best team: south b/c they got the bid and swept oak hill

Best novice team: OES

Best aff team: south with wolves

Best neg team: south

Best 1a: henry

Best 2a: leo

Best 1n:  leo

Best 2n: henry

Best kritik debater: henry

Best straight-up policy debater: henry

Best negative position: framework

Best aff: wolves

Most untopical aff: education

Most persuasive speaker: henry

Most helpful person: miles

Most hardworking debater: henry

Fastest debater: dan tudorica

Best debater overall: henry

Funniest debater: henry when he is sarcastic in CX

Most fun debater to judge/watch: henry

Most improved team: south: shit to bid

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Changing my "Most Underrated" vote to Barlow. Not seeing any mention of them on this thread, but they went undefeated at Oak Hill (South took first only cause there was a medical emergency preventing a final round).

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Changing my "Most Underrated" vote to Barlow. Not seeing any mention of them on this thread, but they went undefeated at Oak Hill (South took first only cause there was a medical emergency preventing a final round).

looking forward to facing them! hopefully we'll hit them this weekend. Was v sad we didn't get to debate at the RR. 

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Senior you will miss most: laurel, alex and vikul from oes, and ofc cyrus
Best judge: jake+dylan, mark little, alex erwig, PAUL ALTOTSKY FTWW (uh jk no)

Best coach: easily mark little or alex erwig
Best squad/school: oes lj
Best team: south ls, then oes lj
Best novice team: whatever team robert cagle and ashik-smthing from lincoln is on

jk squilliam lau mavericking
Best aff team: oes lj
Best neg team: south ls hands down
Best 1a: henry lininger
Best 2a: leo saenger
Best 1n: leo saenger
Best 2n: henry lininger
Best kritik debater: henry and leo
Best straight-up policy debater: oak hill es? p much every 2nr i've hit has been k
Best negative position: marx or duality
Best aff: tsa scanners/jk WOLVES
Most untopical aff: the phallus
Funniest offcase argument you heard: chess vs. go...the og pik

Worst Judge RFD: anything by paul altotsky
Most persuasive speaker(s): easily soren or cyrus
Most helpful person: cyrus cuts godly ev, and marcus challenges me to expand my horizons
Most hardworking debater: MARCUS AVERY, henry and leo, then everyone at oes
Fastest debater: leo saenger
Best debater overall: henry, then leo in a VERY CLOSE second (my 2n bias kicking in sry), then soren, then cyrus

The best team next year: south ls, easily
Squad to watch out for next year: south ls as they strive to become svdp 2.0

Funniest debater: squilliam lau/marcus avery

Most fun debater to judge/watch: henry lininger
Most improved debater: leo
Most improved team: south ls
Most Underrated team: lake o at/oak hill es (tho they haven't really been to many tournies)

 

all in all, go south at toc '15!

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Best judge: jake+dylan, mark little, alex erwig, PAUL ALTOTSKY FTWW (uh jk no)

Worst Judge RFD: anything by paul altotsky

 

the amount of salt is making me think someone misses the oceans topic.

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Senior you will miss most: laurel
Best judge: im blanking on his name but he coaches wilson(?)

Best coach: probably mark little 
Best squad/school: oes for the sheer number of debaters, most of which quality
Best team: south
Best novice team: those oes novices who supposedly crushed in the jv division at berkeley and broke to quarters at u of o

Best aff team: south
Best neg team: south
Best kritik debater: henry, although i have to say that beau is, oddly enough, a god at anti-blackness ks
Best straight-up policy debater: the only straight up traditionalist i know is conrad... so conrad
Best negative position: a combination of baudrillard and t, though i need to mention oes' sick politics da at u of o that for first time all year made me worried about losing to a da
Best aff: fem killjoy 
Most untopical aff: fem killjoy
Funniest offcase argument you heard: "there wasn't sexism in feudal society"

Worst Judge RFD: "i could have picked you up on the theory args, but i didnt want to"
Most persuasive speaker(s): cyrus, his voice is like syrup
Most helpful person: beau (thanks friend)
Most hardworking debater: im giving it to south because their record this year has been fire which much mean hard work was put in... i wish i had a drive to prep
Fastest debater: laurel and jon 
Best debater overall: henry, then laurel, then soren

The best team next year: south

Squad to watch out for next year: oak hill conrad and beau as they try to survive without laurel and i

Funniest debater: beau

Most fun debater to judge/watch: jon and marcus
Most improved debater: louis from oes, i didnt realize how good he had gotten until he hit us at rose city semis
Most improved team: south, went from good to untouchable
Most Underrated team: probs beau and i

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Senior you will miss most: laurel

Best judge: im blanking on his name but he coaches wilson(?)

Best coach: probably mark little 

Best squad/school: oes for the sheer number of debaters, most of which quality

Best team: south

Best novice team: those oes novices who supposedly crushed in the jv division at berkeley and broke to quarters at u of o

Best aff team: south

Best neg team: south

Best kritik debater: henry, although i have to say that beau is, oddly enough, a god at anti-blackness ks

Best straight-up policy debater: the only straight up traditionalist i know is conrad... so conrad

Best negative position: a combination of baudrillard and t, though i need to mention oes' sick politics da at u of o that for first time all year made me worried about losing to a da

Best aff: fem killjoy 

Most untopical aff: fem killjoy

Funniest offcase argument you heard: "there wasn't sexism in feudal society"

Worst Judge RFD: "i could have picked you up on the theory args, but i didnt want to"

Most persuasive speaker(s): cyrus, his voice is like syrup

Most helpful person: beau (thanks friend)

Most hardworking debater: im giving it to south because their record this year has been fire which much mean hard work was put in... i wish i had a drive to prep

Fastest debater: laurel and jon 

Best debater overall: henry, then laurel, then soren

The best team next year: south

Squad to watch out for next year: oak hill conrad and beau as they try to survive without laurel and i

Funniest debater: beau

Most fun debater to judge/watch: jon and marcus

Most improved debater: louis from oes, i didnt realize how good he had gotten until he hit us at rose city semis

Most improved team: south, went from good to untouchable

Most Underrated team: probs beau and i

 

 

What is this South you keep mentioning? 

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What is this South you keep mentioning?

kritikal og's

probly best soph-soph team in nation rn

 

 

 

Senior you will miss most: laurel

Best judge: im blanking on his name but he coaches wilson(?)

Best coach: probably mark little 

Best squad/school: oes for the sheer number of debaters, most of which quality

Best team: south

Best novice team: those oes novices who supposedly crushed in the jv division at berkeley and broke to quarters at u of o

Best aff team: south

Best neg team: south

Best kritik debater: henry, although i have to say that beau is, oddly enough, a god at anti-blackness ks

Best straight-up policy debater: the only straight up traditionalist i know is conrad... so conrad

Best negative position: a combination of baudrillard and t, though i need to mention oes' sick politics da at u of o that for first time all year made me worried about losing to a da

Best aff: fem killjoy 

Most untopical aff: fem killjoy

Funniest offcase argument you heard: "there wasn't sexism in feudal society"

Worst Judge RFD: "i could have picked you up on the theory args, but i didnt want to"

Most persuasive speaker(s): cyrus, his voice is like syrup

Most helpful person: beau (thanks friend)

Most hardworking debater: im giving it to south because their record this year has been fire which much mean hard work was put in... i wish i had a drive to prep

Fastest debater: laurel and jon 

Best debater overall: henry, then laurel, then soren

The best team next year: south

Squad to watch out for next year: oak hill conrad and beau as they try to survive without laurel and i

Funniest debater: beau

Most fun debater to judge/watch: jon and marcus

Most improved debater: louis from oes, i didnt realize how good he had gotten until he hit us at rose city semis

Most improved team: south, went from good to untouchable

Most Underrated team: probs beau and i

 

most underrated debater is leo

those 1nc's are legit blazing

and his 2ar's are becoming-groznik

 

"I am a tool, we lost 4 neg rounds because I can't debate. Leo is the Alpha. I think I might have to quit debate now, I just can't stand looking at my ghoulish appearance in the mirror anymore."

"Leo...specializes in unmatched speed and clarity...i specialize in...height and screaming when i talk" - h-lininger

 

it's okay

robinson/ligotti og boiis

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Most Underrated team: probs beau and i

 

 

True... I mean, a bit of squad-mate bias here, but literally nobody mentions Oak Hill RT ever, and they are basically just as good as Laurel and I. In fact, I am like 70% sure they would beat us if Keith ever let us hit each other. Plus, though South has a reputation for bringing novel new args to the circuit, Beau and Emma tend to run some pretty unique stuff themselves....

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kritikal og's

probly best soph-soph team in nation rn

 

True tbh, South is just on another level... I mean they were good last year, but this year they are legendary.

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Senior you will miss most: Laurel (you are close second Emma of course, I just have partner bias :P)
Best judge: Ryan Endsley

Best coach: Ryan Endsley, Mark Little, or Tom Linninger 
Best squad/school: OES, they have so many good teams!
Best team: LOL South
Best novice team: The OES novices who wrecked in JV at Berkeley

Best aff team: South (If they would stop running that penis aff they would be even better imo)
Best neg team: South
Best kritik debater: Though Henry or Leo are the obvious picks, I am going to say Soren. He runs all that shit and explains it more clearly to the judges than South does (IMO)
Best straight-up policy debater: What is straight-up-policy? All we know is Marx... Nah but seriously either of OES GR could claim this
Best negative position: The Marx K (to be fair, Laurel and I were running that last year, before South made it the bane of the Oregon circuit)
Best aff: Three-way tie b/w FRT, Trans Scanners, and Wolves. Honorable Mention to Drug Dogs which is actually a pretty tough case to be neg against
Most untopical aff: Definitely Fem Killjoy, though Penile Pleth is less topical than a lot of K affs I have seen XD
Funniest offcase argument you heard: T: "domestic surveillance" must be incidental; it can't be designed to target domestic persons

Worst Judge RFD: 2x "The plan is reasonably topical so I ignore the T flow, and I don't really buy the case turns" (I am so sorry South that round was judge intervention to the max you should have picked up)
Most persuasive speaker(s): Soren Little, idek if there is a close second
Most helpful person: Henry
Most hardworking debater: Either the south kids, or Jon Lee
Fastest debater: Leo and Jon are about tied
Best debater overall: Henry (though Leo is a better speaker IMO, Henry seems to be the main strategist)

The best team next year: South, unless either OES or Oak Hill makes a meteoric ascension

Squad to watch out for next year: OES and Lincoln are both flooding recent tournaments with talented JV teams; this time next year at least a couple will be scary

Funniest debater: Beau

Most fun debater to judge/watch: Beau and Emma do weird shit, watching them is always a thrill
Most improved debater: Louis or Cyrus, they both went from meh JV to A-tier varsity
Most improved team: TBH I was surprised by the improvement in both of the varsity OES teams, they were OK last year but this year they are fire
Most Underrated team: Beau and Emma, hands down

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Senior(s) you will miss most: Alex and Vikul
Best judge: Mark

Best coach: Mark
Best squad/school: Oregon Episcopal
Best team: South Eugene
Best novice team: OES’ star novice duo

Best aff team: South Eugene
Best neg team: South Eugene
Best kritik debater: Henry Lininger
Best straight-up policy debater: Conrad
Best negative position: Marxist Labor Theory of Value

Best aff: FRT
Most untopical aff: Drug Sniffing Dogs
Funniest offcase argument you heard: all whites are forever racist

Worst Judge RFD: you lost the T debate in the 1ac
Most persuasive speaker(s): Leo
Most helpful person: Dan Tudorica

Most hardworking debater: Henry – South has Marx blocked out HARD

Fastest debater: John Lee by miles…my coach said he’s the fastest debater Oregon has seen in the last decade

Best debater overall: Henry, then Leo, then one of those OES’ers

The best team(s) next year: South and OES

Squad to watch out for next year: South Eugene

Funniest debater: Nick Romig

Most fun debater to judge/watch: Henry – those 2nc’s are AWESOME

Most improved debater: Louis, easily
Most improved team: South Eugene – not much debate to be had here
Most underrated team: Oak Hill

Most overrated team: Clack – they’re p decent, but never gonna be the same cuz John got carried hard last year. Stopping talking about repeats unless South and OES move to Texas or something lol

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Senior you will miss most: Emma <3
Best judge: The same wilson couch Emma mentioned

Best coach: Mark Little
Best squad/school: OES has many competent teams
Best team: South
Best novice team: Not really keeping up to speed with Novices, but the JVers @Berkeley were pretty good

Best aff team: South
Best neg team: South
Best kritik debater: Henry or Leo
Best straight-up policy debater: Prolly Conrad tbh
Best negative position: The Mirror of our Hearts <3 (and Wilderson)
Best aff: Three-way tie b/w FRT, Trans Scanners, and Wolves. Honorable Mention to Drug Dogs which is actually a pretty tough case to be neg against
Most untopical aff: Fem Killjoy, or our Counter-Gazing aff
Funniest offcase argument you heard: T: "domestic surveillance" must be people; Water isn't a person (We had a Water Wars advantage to our aff, and the team thought we were curtailing surveillance on water...somehow)

Worst Judge RFD: Ditto @Emma's
Most persuasive speaker(s): Soren prolly
Most helpful person: Emma (tbh no one else on the circuit talks to us :/)
Most hardworking debater: no clue
Fastest debater: Leo
Best debater overall: Henry

The best team next year: South, (but we could probably grab a close second ;) )

Squad to watch out for next year: OHS tbh

Funniest debater: Emma

Most fun debater to judge/watch: Haven't watched anyone, so I have no clue
Most improved debater: Louis or Cyrus, they both went from meh JV to A-tier varsity (Ditto what Conrad said)
Most improved team: Ditto what Conrad said
Most Underrated team: Us

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Senior you will miss most: emma 
Best judge: ryan endsley (thanks for judging us 3 tomes at puget sound and 2 times at u of o) 

Best coach: keith 
Best squad/school: oes bc holy shit!
Best team: south 
Best novice team: those cool oes novices

Best aff team: south probably
Best neg team: also south probably but oak hill rt is close second
Best kritik debater: beau probably
Best straight-up policy debater: CONRAD god 
Best negative position: ballot commod 
Best aff: fem killjoy, penises, 
Most untopical aff: that one aff clack was running at rcrr 
Funniest offcase argument you heard: "dogs sniff continuously" 

Worst Judge RFD: same as conrad, sorry south :))) 
Most persuasive speaker(s): cyrus? maybe 
Most helpful person: probably henry 
Most hardworking debater: jon lee 
Fastest debater: jon lee
Best debater overall: conrad bc im biased 

The best team next year: south probably but oak hill st should be pretty cool

Squad to watch out for next year: oak hill! beau and conrad will be unstoppable. also sam barlow!  

Funniest debater: beau

Most fun debater to judge/watch: idk
Most improved debater: louis 
Most improved team: oes or south 
Most Underrated team: definitely beau and emma, a close second is sam barlow 

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Most overrated team: Clack – they’re p decent, but never gonna be the same cuz John got carried hard last year. Stopping talking about repeats unless South and OES move to Texas or something lol

Dude, Jon Lee is a freaking legend. I mean, Shawn was the better half of Clack LL, but only because of experience. Jon is a genius, blazing fast, and he works harder than Shawn ever did as far as I can tell. Also, he is a SOPHOMORE. His partner isn't even in high school yet! Considering those two managed to beat Laurel and I, as well as SOUTH EUGENE at the Rose City Round Robin, I think it is unfair and silly to write them off like this lol

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Not a huge fan of "online communities" like this, but I'm gonna resurrect my account for a quick second because I cannot stand when people trash on my siblings.

 

 

 

This year, Jon is as good, probably better, than me. He's currently debating with an 8th grader with absolutely zero debate experience, and he absolutely steamrolls teams that annihilate South and OES on the regular. Not taking away from Soren and Cyrus, but I don't see them beating teams with 5,6 bids. Henry and Leo are both very very good, but Jon is, without a doubt, individually better.

 

 

 

Idk if you don't do logic or are just a hater, but Jon and Kacie almost never lose to either South or OES. I know they aren't going to the TOC and whatnot, but also realize that Clackamas goes to one bid tournament a year. South took half a dozen tournaments to get two bids, and OES pretty consistently gets trolled in triples, if they even make it there. And at zag, Jon and Kacie lost their bid round to basically the best team on the west coast.

 

 

 

^^^^This

 

There's a bunch of factual inaccuracies in here, but the main point is 100% true. Jon works incredibly hard, and as a result, he's incredibly good. Did you know Jon has a speech disorder and had years of speech therapy to over come it, but still practices so hard that he's fast even for the college circuit? Didn't think so.

 

Also, Jon and I learned debate without any coach (we taught ourselves). Most kids learn by having an experienced debater helping them with nuances - Jon learns purely through watching rounds online and trial and error.

 

He's also a genius with his argument diversity- I doubt anyone else in oregon reads the full range of ortho marx, anti-blackness, intralocality, ptix, virilio, schlag, security, t&y, heg throwdowns, framework, performance, etc., let alone takes the time to actually read and master the literature behind them.

 

I'm not saying that Jon and Kacie will win every round and state and the whole world or whatever. But don't give them less credit than they deserve.

 

Also, its all good and fine to talk about debate online and rank people or whatever. But intentionally saying "so and so sux and are actually way overrated" is a pretty low blow and is not conducive to a healthy debate community. If anything, stupidity like that is the reason why Oregon policy debate was non-existent until very recently.

Shawn's skills at wrecking haters have improved since high school 10/10 savage annihilation

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Not a huge fan of "online communities" like this, but I'm gonna resurrect my account for a quick second because I cannot stand when people trash on my siblings.

 

 

 

This year, Jon is as good, probably better, than me. He's currently debating with an 8th grader with absolutely zero debate experience, and he absolutely steamrolls teams that annihilate South and OES on the regular. Not taking away from Soren and Cyrus, but I don't see them beating teams with 5,6 bids. Henry and Leo are both very very good, but Jon is, without a doubt, individually better.

 

 

 

Idk if you don't do logic or are just a hater, but Jon and Kacie almost never lose to either South or OES. I know they aren't going to the TOC and whatnot, but also realize that Clackamas goes to one bid tournament a year. South took half a dozen tournaments to get two bids, and OES pretty consistently gets trolled in triples, if they even make it there. And at zag, Jon and Kacie lost their bid round to basically the best team on the west coast.

 

 

 

^^^^This

 

There's a bunch of factual inaccuracies in here, but the main point is 100% true. Jon works incredibly hard, and as a result, he's incredibly good. Did you know Jon has a speech disorder and had years of speech therapy to over come it, but still practices so hard that he's fast even for the college circuit? Didn't think so.

 

Also, Jon and I learned debate without any coach (we taught ourselves). Most kids learn by having an experienced debater helping them with nuances - Jon learns purely through watching rounds online and trial and error.

 

He's also a genius with his argument diversity- I doubt anyone else in oregon reads the full range of ortho marx, anti-blackness, intralocality, ptix, virilio, schlag, security, t&y, heg throwdowns, framework, performance, etc., let alone takes the time to actually read and master the literature behind them.

 

I'm not saying that Jon and Kacie will win every round and state and the whole world or whatever. But don't give them less credit than they deserve.

 

Also, its all good and fine to talk about debate online and rank people or whatever. But intentionally saying "so and so sux and are actually way overrated" is a pretty low blow and is not conducive to a healthy debate community. If anything, stupidity like that is the reason why Oregon policy debate was non-existent until very recently.

 

Im trying not to post anymore but I wanna throw out there that I agree with 100% of what Shawn says and that Jon and Kaycie are OG's and always will be.

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Not a huge fan of "online communities" like this, but I'm gonna resurrect my account for a quick second because I cannot stand when people trash on my siblings.

 

 

 

This year, Jon is as good, probably better, than me. He's currently debating with an 8th grader with absolutely zero debate experience, and he absolutely steamrolls teams that annihilate South and OES on the regular. Not taking away from Soren and Cyrus, but I don't see them beating teams with 5,6 bids. Henry and Leo are both very very good, but Jon is, without a doubt, individually better.

 

 

 

Idk if you don't do logic or are just a hater, but Jon and Kacie almost never lose to either South or OES. I know they aren't going to the TOC and whatnot, but also realize that Clackamas goes to one bid tournament a year. South took half a dozen tournaments to get two bids, and OES pretty consistently gets trolled in triples, if they even make it there. And at zag, Jon and Kacie lost their bid round to basically the best team on the west coast.

 

 

 

^^^^This

 

There's a bunch of factual inaccuracies in here, but the main point is 100% true. Jon works incredibly hard, and as a result, he's incredibly good. Did you know Jon has a speech disorder and had years of speech therapy to over come it, but still practices so hard that he's fast even for the college circuit? Didn't think so.

 

Also, Jon and I learned debate without any coach (we taught ourselves). Most kids learn by having an experienced debater helping them with nuances - Jon learns purely through watching rounds online and trial and error.

 

He's also a genius with his argument diversity- I doubt anyone else in oregon reads the full range of ortho marx, anti-blackness, intralocality, ptix, virilio, schlag, security, t&y, heg throwdowns, framework, performance, etc., let alone takes the time to actually read and master the literature behind them.

 

I'm not saying that Jon and Kacie will win every round and state and the whole world or whatever. But don't give them less credit than they deserve.

 

Also, its all good and fine to talk about debate online and rank people or whatever. But intentionally saying "so and so sux and are actually way overrated" is a pretty low blow and is not conducive to a healthy debate community. If anything, stupidity like that is the reason why Oregon policy debate was non-existent until very recently.

 

Especially the part about our bid taking like 6 tournaments. We were relatively lucky to be honest.

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