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Does anyone have more recent maduro says yes evidence they would be so kind as to give me? Preferably not oil specific.  Thanks!

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Yeah, it doesn't exist. I believe that the last "Venezuela said no" card that I cut was quoting him telling some american diplomats "Yankees, go home!". 

Drop that Venezuela aff baby and come to the dark side of Mexico. Don't worry, it somehow has less disad links despite having far more affs on the topic :) 

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come to the dark side of Mexico. 

With Maduro saying no and Cuba having a bunch of DAs and being predictable, Mexico is by far the #1 topic country

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Does anyone ever hit T - substantial on Mexico affs? I'm interested to see how most of them would answer that violation

My answer: substantial in your opinion could be substantial in someone else's opinion. Plus it matters on how you define sub is it at least 20%? Also judges hate sub T

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Does anyone have more recent maduro says yes evidence they would be so kind as to give me? Preferably not oil specific.  Thanks!

I have a strat against say no that seems to work very well... Maybe it's just for my aff but oh well.

My partner and I have a couple cards that talk about how how the people will pretty much force the plan if he says no to it. The cards talk about them causing a revolution and causing our plan to happen. Look into that.?

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I have a strat against say no that seems to work very well... Maybe it's just for my aff but oh well.

My partner and I have a couple cards that talk about how how the people will pretty much force the plan if he says no to it. The cards talk about them causing a revolution and causing our plan to happen. Look into that.?

Has anyone read Venezuelan instability -> impact against you?

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I think there's a difference between the countries' political relationship and economic relationship. Maduro may shut down the US politically (AKA expelling diplomats), but his country depends on economic engagement (oil exports) with the US. Most people will talk about the Samantha Powers incident where Maduro said he doesn't want relations with the US. This may not be recent, but this is a good answer to that, 

 

 

Now is the key window of opportunity to improve relations with Venezuela – Maduro took back inflammatory statements and is willing to cooperate.

Maduro took back his statement – He wants engagement, not aggression, but only if the US cooperates.

NH 13 (36 time Award-winning, Spanish-language daily newspaper in the nation's third-largest Hispanic market, July 23rd, 2013, el Nuevo Herald “Venezuela urges U.S. to stop attacks†http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/15051704-venezuela-urges-us-to-stop-attacks, Keerthi, Acc 11/29/13)

CARACAS - President Nicolas Maduro said Tuesday he is willing to have good relations with the United States, but said that would only be possible if the U.S. government rectifies its "permanent aggression attitude Venezuela".¶ Three days after the announcement by the Venezuelan authorities to suspend talks with the U.S. approach, Maduro said Venezuela is open to have good relations with the government of Barack Obama, but said this will only be possible if there is "real respect in public and private. "¶ "I call on the U.S. government to reconsider its imperial attitude on Latin America and the Caribbean, and attitude of permanent aggression Venezuela. When rectified, here waiting," said the president in a visit to the eastern state of Monagas was broadcast on state television.¶ Maduro announced last Saturday that was taken for "terminated all discussions that began in Guatemala" with the Secretary of State of the United States John Kerry, and on Tuesday said that the revival of the dialogue "and not up to us, up to them ".!

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No... I have a stability advantage. 

Yes, but you're not quite solving for said stability if the Venezuelan people instigate a revolution in order to "say yes" to your plan

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Yes, but you're not quite solving for said stability if the Venezuelan people instigate a revolution in order to "say yes" to your plan

We make it from unstable in SQUO to being a stable democracy.

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Whether or not Maduro will help U.S.-Venezuela relations irrelivent- they’ve cooperated for years

Jamison, May 9th, 2013 (Anne, Maduro Venezuela: He Won't Usher in a New Era of U.S.-Venezuela Relations, and That's OK, Policymic, JH, http://www.policymic.com/articles/40027/maduro-venezuela-he-won-t-usher-in-a-new-era-of-u-s--venezuela-relations-and-that-s-ok)

 

The April 19 inauguration of Nicolás Maduro, vice president of Venezuela under the recently deceased Hugo Chávez, has the world debating whether or not the self-proclaimed "son of Chávez" could lead to improved relations with the United States.¶ However, the question isn't as relevant as we are making it out to be. The U.S. and Venezuela have for years managed to cooperate economically, despite all the heated political rhetoric you read about in the media, and they'll likely continue to do so.

 

Current U.S.-Venezuelan relations are becoming warmer; trade and other mutual interests

Pineo and Powell, Ph.D. in History and research associate at COHA, 6-13-13, (Ronn and Laura, The Promise of New Beginning: A Thaw in US-Venezuelan Relations- Analysis, Eurasia Review, JH, http://www.eurasiareview.com/13062013-the-promise-of-new-beginning-a-thaw-in-us-venezuelan-relations-analysis/)

 

What makes this diplomatic initiative so encouraging is that until this development United States relations with President Hugo Chávez’s (and now Nicolás Maduro’s) Venezuela too often seemed only to feature irate political blasts from both sides. As Chávez moved Venezuela to the left he alienated many in the country’s middle class who had originally supported him and deepened the hatred of the nation’s élites, people who had bitterly mistrusted him from the start. These groups had the ear of the George W. Bush administration, which increasingly hardened its opposition to the Chávez regime. Chávez seemed to delight in enflaming the situation, comparing Bush to the devil or a donkey, and demonizing the United States as a “terrorist state.â€Â¶ Relations deteriorated as debates grew more fierce and political tensions more unbridgeable. The United States funneled significant funding to the Venezuelan opposition to Chávez through the National Endowment for Democracy. When the coup attempt came in April 2002, the United States Ambassador Charles Samuel Shapiro met with the coup’s front man, Pedro Carmona, providing, in effective, de facto recognition of the coup government. In explaining the U.S. stance on the takeover, one Bush White House briefer challenged the notion that a fair democratic context could ever exist under Chávez, lecturing reporters that democracy means more than “just getting more votes than the other guy,†an odd argument for a Bush administration official to push.¶ The OAS, meeting in San José, Costa Rica, issued a declaration condemning the coup. The United States refused to join the collective statement. When the Carmona coup fell apart after 72 hours, the United States was left looking ridiculous and dangerously retrograde: isolated diplomatically and determined to turn back the clock to the bad old days of uncritical U.S. support for military coups. Diplomatic relations broke down between the nations, with ambassadors and each other’s officials’ recalled.¶ With the start of his administration in 2009, President Barack Obama had several chances to make a fresh start and mend relations. He met with Chávez in Port of Spain, Trinidad in April that year at the Summit of the Americas, calling for “a new chapter†in U.S.-Venezuelan relations. But after the meeting Obama seemed to lose any interest in closer ties, and never showed any real enthusiasm for Latin American issues. Obama appeared to be content to allow inertia to guide U.S. policy for the region. And so the Bush-era policies toward Venezuela rolled on, directionless, unexplored, and unreformed. Even today the two nations have no ambassador-level diplomatic representation.¶ Given this troubled past, the potential return to diplomatic normalcy is very good news indeed. Despite everything, there remains a good foundation for relations for the two nations to build upon. Trade ties remain strong. Nearly half of Venezuela’s export trade and a third of import trade is with the United States. Venezuela is the 14th largest trading partner of the United States and the fourth largest supplier of imported oil.

 

 

 

 

If you are insisting on running a solvency aff, your argument to these defensive arguments essentially needs to be not that he will say "yes or no" but that despite what media says, relations and trade are and will continue to happen proves Maduro say yes. Also you could read some framework on like "Should and Would" and essentially be like as long as we prove 1AC SHOULD be done and it's comparatively advantageous than like that checks your defense. Look into the context of resolution.

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 Also you could read some framework on like "Should and Would" and essentially be like as long as we prove 1AC SHOULD be done and it's comparatively advantageous than like that checks your defense. Look into the context of resolution.

 

That's such bullshit.  You don't get access to any of your advantages if Maduro doesn't accept the plan, meaning you "shouldn't" do the plan.  Using this arguement to get  out of say no justifies international fiat and arbitrarily ignoring solvency deficits.

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I think there's a difference between the countries' political relationship and economic relationship. Maduro may shut down the US politically (AKA expelling diplomats), but his country depends on economic engagement (oil exports) with the US. Most people will talk about the Samantha Powers incident where Maduro said he doesn't want relations with the US. This may not be recent, but this is a good answer to that, 

 

 

Now is the key window of opportunity to improve relations with Venezuela – Maduro took back inflammatory statements and is willing to cooperate.

Maduro took back his statement – He wants engagement, not aggression, but only if the US cooperates.

NH 13 (36 time Award-winning, Spanish-language daily newspaper in the nation's third-largest Hispanic market, July 23rd, 2013, el Nuevo Herald “Venezuela urges U.S. to stop attacks†http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/15051704-venezuela-urges-us-to-stop-attacks, Keerthi, Acc 11/29/13)

CARACAS - President Nicolas Maduro said Tuesday he is willing to have good relations with the United States, but said that would only be possible if the U.S. government rectifies its "permanent aggression attitude Venezuela".¶ Three days after the announcement by the Venezuelan authorities to suspend talks with the U.S. approach, Maduro said Venezuela is open to have good relations with the government of Barack Obama, but said this will only be possible if there is "real respect in public and private. "¶ "I call on the U.S. government to reconsider its imperial attitude on Latin America and the Caribbean, and attitude of permanent aggression Venezuela. When rectified, here waiting," said the president in a visit to the eastern state of Monagas was broadcast on state television.¶ Maduro announced last Saturday that was taken for "terminated all discussions that began in Guatemala" with the Secretary of State of the United States John Kerry, and on Tuesday said that the revival of the dialogue "and not up to us, up to them ".!

 

ROFL, this card is such BS.  "Stop the imaginary aggression that I pretend you're engaged in to garner popular support, and we'll have good relations with you.  What, there isn't any actual aggression you're engaged in?  Lulz, I am such a troll."  Please Maduro, explain what this aggression is that you want stopped.  Is it the imaginary US-backed sabotage of your refineries, or the imaginary assassination of Chavez by giving him cancer?

 

Seriously, Maduro *wants* to be the caricateured socialist villain from an Ayn Rand novel.  Its so painfully hilarious.  Watching Venezuela implode is like watching a movie adaptation of Atlas Shrugged.  I'd never have predicted Ayn Rand's descriptions of insane socialist villainy would be so accurate.

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ROFL, this card is such BS.  "Stop the imaginary aggression that I pretend you're engaged in to garner popular support, and we'll have good relations with you.  What, there isn't any actual aggression you're engaged in?  Lulz, I am such a troll."  Please Maduro, explain what this aggression is that you want stopped.  Is it the imaginary US-backed sabotage of your refineries, or the imaginary assassination of Chavez by giving him cancer?

 

Seriously, Maduro *wants* to be the caricateured socialist villain from an Ayn Rand novel.  Its so painfully hilarious.  Watching Venezuela implode is like watching a movie adaptation of Atlas Shrugged.  I'd never have predicted Ayn Rand's descriptions of insane socialist villainy would be so accurate.

I always thought that you should get more +reps then you do.

Then you mentioned Ayn Rand.

 

And you implied you read Ayn Rand.

 

...lol

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I always thought that you should get more +reps then you do.

Then you mentioned Ayn Rand.

 

And you implied you read Ayn Rand.

 

...lol

That's the thing about switch side debate. You do actually have to read both sides of the issue. (And I skipped the monologues in Atlas Shrugged, even I couldn't stomach those xP)

 

Also, that wasn't pro-Rand, that was making fun of how ridiculous Maduro's actions have been. When you're bound and determined to live up (down?) to the worst characterization of socialists ever written, you have it coming.

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That's the thing about switch side debate. You do actually have to read both sides of the issue. (And I skipped the monologues in Atlas Shrugged, even I couldn't stomach those xP)

 

Also, that wasn't pro-Rand, that was making fun of how ridiculous Maduro's actions have been. When you're bound and determined to live up (down?) to the worst characterization of socialists ever written, you have it coming.

if they're reading Ayn Rand, you probably shouldn't have to invest any time countering it.

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if they're reading Ayn Rand, you probably shouldn't have to invest any time countering it.

As I recall, one of the top-ranked policy debaters in the country my senior year of high school was rumored to carry only 12 accordians of Objectivism as his only evidence. (1 for Aff, 11 for various neg positions). Was it true? I can't even remember who the guy was anymore, it was more than 15 years ago. But I'd believe it - Objectivism was not terribly rare that year as a K. And google shows several years worth of Objectivism K files when there have been domestic topics, including last year, and they aren't shy on using Rand as an author. Someone must be winning on it.

 

I read Rand for the same reason I read Marx, Kant, Nietzche, and Heidegger (and more) - because it was a lot easier to answer arguments based on their philosophies when you knew what it was in the first place. (Especially since Policy debate K evidence is sometimes out of context and misinterpreted - writing styles which aren't focused on clarity of communication only make this worse). And I'll be honest, I found Heidegger the least fun to read of that group, and quite possibly the least useful. (Beating Kant in lack of enjoyability to read is a feat of supreme 'talent').

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