Chaos 2587 Report post Posted June 26, 2013 Significantly, as a general rule. Why? Just a matter of pitch? Or is it that the only girls who remain in debate tend to be totally elite? Or are my observations unique? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom707 1012 Report post Posted June 27, 2013 *Insert sexist joke about spreading* I actually have a hoodie with a list of reasons why you should "debate like a girl" (actual words on it). Unfortunately, I don't have it with me, but in my opinion, the stereotype is generally true. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THEUbermensch 117 Report post Posted June 27, 2013 The Cubic Law of Nature. Opposite sex organs prove male & female to be binary opposites equal zero value, and nothing as unified one. You are educated ENTITY STUPID for all Creation is composed of Opposites ---- which equate to Zero value existence - and cancels out to nothing if unified as one. Before Word was invented, no God existed upon Earth. Truth cannot be uttered so that's why I am writing it. 7 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgebushsdogpaintings 494 Report post Posted June 27, 2013 The Cubic Law of Nature. Opposite sex organs prove male & female to be binary opposites equal zero value, and nothing as unified one. You are educated ENTITY STUPID for all Creation is composed of Opposites ---- which equate to Zero value existence - and cancels out to nothing if unified as one. Before Word was invented, no God existed upon Earth. Truth cannot be uttered so that's why I am writing it. If a Man cannot tear a page from the bible and burn it - then he cannot be a scientist, or participate in Symposium - to measure Cubing of Earth with Cubic intelligence wiser than any man or god known. Educators have destroyed the human analytical brain to a single perspective, in spite of all creation within Universe being based upon opposites, binaries & antipodes, including Sun/Earth binary relative to the human male/female binary. No ancient insignificant dead 1 Jew godism can match or exceed the enormity of the Sun/Earth Binary. His heart is not big enough for sharing with the vastness of created opposites. 1 has no heart beat or breath, constituting death of opposites. 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DML 727 Report post Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) this is pretty subjective. i have no idea what you're basing this on just as a quick data reference, as far as i can tell there have been four female top speakers at the TOC in the last 40 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournament_of_Champions_(debate)#Past_Policy_Debate_Top_Speakers not saying guys are better or whatever. there just doesn't seem to be any particular link between gender and spreading ability Edited June 27, 2013 by DML 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetazetadelta 236 Report post Posted June 27, 2013 Don't agree with the stereotype. Some of the fastest and clearest HS spreaders last year were men. Humza and Hemanth spring to mind... Maybe female spreaders seem more clear because they have generally higher pitched voices, though? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DML 727 Report post Posted June 27, 2013 Don't agree with the stereotype. Some of the fastest and clearest HS spreaders last year were men. Humza and Hemanth spring to mind... Maybe female spreaders seem more clear because they have generally higher pitched voices, though? lol hemanth fastest 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TamaleTosser 202 Report post Posted June 27, 2013 idk i kind of agree with hubris, not to be sexist, but the top level spreaders are usually male debaters, but females (that atleast I have seen) tend to be faster than the average male debater, but not necessarily clearer. I believe it is because of the pitch, but also because there are so many males in policy and that means a lot of them aren't particularly fast and thus when you see a fast female spreader from there minority sex in debate, comparatively to the large majority of slow male spreaders, she seems fast. Atleast those are my thoughts on the topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BernieSanders 1775 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 idk i kind of agree with hubris, not to be sexist, "but the top level spreaders are usually debaters", but females (that atleast I have seen) tend to be faster than the average male debater, but not necessarily clearer. I believe it is because of the pitch, but also because there are so many males in policy and that means a lot of them aren't particularly fast and thus when you see a fast female spreader from there minority sex in debate, comparatively to the large majority of slow male spreaders, she seems fast. Atleast those are my thoughts on the topic. This is the equivalent of this sign. Pretty sure the my school duo team would be bad at spreading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TamaleTosser 202 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 sorry i edited it, i meant male debaters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WTJAZZ 32 Report post Posted July 27, 2013 I only see one difference between the male and female speakers I have met. The females are better sports and less arrogant than the males. I have seen some really good speakers from each group. I have never seen a female that refused to listen to a male partner that knew something she did not. I have seen a few males that are unwilling to listen to their female partners and yet are very receptive to the same information coming from another male team member. Wisdom, knowledge, research info, logic, ideas, etc. should be judged on their merits and not the biology of the speaker. Do not fall victim to the genetic fallacy. I have seen rounds lost or nearly lost simply because partners fail to function as a team. Partners should respect each other. Research burdens will vary due to other class schedule differences. You may need to tell your partner something one time and ask them another time. Either situation should be comfortable for both partners. If it is not, perhaps a change of partners would benefit all parties. Regarding speed reading, I think females are just more honest with themselves in terms of speed and clarity. Males just want to be the fastest and sometimes clarity suffers in the process. Never read faster than your slowest judge can listen. If you want to increase your speed, practice speaking faster and also listening to speeches at faster paces. Use the internet for speed debate videos. A Texas Tech University Debate Team Member that had transferred from Southern Illinois University told me it took eight years of practice for TTU's national cahampions to get as fast as they were. I know two students in Austin who will be HS juniors that have incredible speed skills. The more you practice, the faster you will get better. WTJAZZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ButteredMuffin 1440 Report post Posted August 5, 2013 Significantly, as a general rule. Why? Just a matter of pitch? Or is it that the only girls who remain in debate tend to be totally elite? Or are my observations unique? I think you just get more aroused when you hear a girl spread. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fromthemitten 144 Report post Posted August 24, 2013 One of my former coaches told me it had something to do with the Adam's Apple but he was an idiot so I don't know if that was credible or not. My female partner did no speaking drills and was hella faster than me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dss5 22 Report post Posted December 10, 2013 I really want to know what pitch has to do it considering most spreading is (unfortunately) done in monotone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrookeB 8 Report post Posted January 14, 2014 as a girl, i can attest to this. that's not to say boys can't spread, they just usually end up lacking as much clarity as their female counterparts. But the voices of some of the girls who can spread well are WAAAAAY too high. I've been in rounds where the girl starts spreading but the judges get easily annoyed by the pitch despite the fact that she may very well be a good debater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coconuts 872 Report post Posted January 14, 2014 as a girl, i can attest to this. that's not to say boys can't spread, they just usually end up lacking as much clarity as their female counterparts. But the voices of some of the girls who can spread well are WAAAAAY too high. I've been in rounds where the girl starts spreading but the judges get easily annoyed by the pitch despite the fact that she may very well be a good debater. The worst spreader at our school is a female. The best spreaders at our school are female. It's really up in the air. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrelloid 935 Report post Posted January 14, 2014 Pretty sure there's good evidence that higher pitch lets you talk faster with more clarity. Pure speed does not dictate speaker points or debating success though, so that's not going to be a useful proxy of speed. You'd literally need to record a bunch of speakers, count words per minute, and then look at how the gender ratio was distributed. (I'd especially focus on the top 10-20%, because the claim isn't that all women are faster, but that women can be faster because of pitch differences, so you're looking for how the top speeds separate out by gender). And the differences between top male and female debaters on their speed are probably small enough to not give women a significant competitive advantage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites