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The other concern that I would have about this AFF is the literature base. I do not think that there are a lot of qualified authors out there writing about the feasibility of creating spartan super soldiers.

 

Qualified authors? We have three of the most widely-known works of art in modern times as a reference, not to mention:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(series)#Books_and_comic_series

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There are a few ethical dilemmas with this course of action.

 

1. The original "recruitment" of the Spartan II's consisted of kidnapping 75 six year old children who showed advanced development in certain cognitive and physical areas. These kidnapped children only came from the outer colonies of the UNSC (United Nations Space Command), whose residents were considered second class citizens and underneath citizens from Earth and the Inner colonies. After these children were secretly taken, they we're subsequently flash cloned to hide the kidnapping from their parents. These flash clones were especially susceptible to neurological ailments, and all became severely retarded, if not dead, within a few short years.

 

2. The kidnapped children were then immediately drafted into the military. Beginning at the age of six, before their minds were able to make the choice freely to defend the UNSC, they were indoctrinated with false patriotism and loyalty to the military. Taken at such an early age, it was easy to make the young children forget their previous lives, their previous families, their previous identities; the violent military establishment slowly took on each of these roles, at the center of existence.

 

3. At the age of 12, the 75 children were forced to under go a variety of risky, experimental surgeries in an attempt to biologically alter their brain chemistry and physiological structure; in essence, to create super-soldiers. Despite the obvious risks of these dangerous and untested surgical enhancements, the UNSC forged ahead, resulting in a 50% mortality rate. Even beyond that, another group of the surviving Spartan II's became failed subjects, resulting in gross physical deformity. Even after becoming cripples at the hands of their masters, the UNSC would allow the Spartans no freedom; they were transfered to the shadowy Office of Naval Intelligence.

 

4. The Spartans were originally created to act as muscle to reinforce the imperial power of Earth over the outer colonies. The Spartans were commissioned well before the Covenant threat, and were originally intended to act as a secret police force to assassinate rebel leaders and intimidate outer colonies that wished to secede from Earth's control. They also supported a fascist military government based on Earth. Never once is a civilian government ever referred to; only the UNSC, a military body, is in a position of power over Earth's empire. If the Covenant invasion had not provided an evil other for the UNSC to justify its totalitarian rule, the Master Chief would have been used in the role of SS officer, not alien slayer.

 

5. The Spartan's represent the UNSC's commitment to violent consequentialist modes of political calculation. All of the atrocities explained above were justified by the logic of the end justifies the means. Any violence was justified to prevent the chaos of civil war between Earth and the Outer Colonies. This logic even continued into the Covenant invasion, with UNSC naval forces abandoning the outer colonies to be slaughtered in order to reinforce and protect the inner colonies. This blatant disregard for individual life eventually manifested itself into a problem - as the Covenant razed deeper and deeper into human space, closer and closer to Earth - soon there wouldn't be any humanity left to sacrifice for a "greater good".

 

This crazed indifference is what eventually caused the leader of the Spartan II project, Dr. Catherine Halsey, to defect from the UNSC. It is also what caused Spartan John-117, the Master Chief himself, to reconsider his own role in upholding this imperialist and unethical sacrifice of the innocent. He still fought the Covenant, but he started fighting for the right reasons - for the good of humanity as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tldr; I will K the shit out the imperialist and consequentialist notions of Spartans.

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There are a few ethical dilemmas with this course of action.

 

1. The original "recruitment" of the Spartan II's consisted of kidnapping 75 six year old children who showed advanced development in certain cognitive and physical areas. These kidnapped children only came from the outer colonies of the UNSC (United Nations Space Command), whose residents were considered second class citizens and underneath citizens from Earth and the Inner colonies. After these children were secretly taken, they we're subsequently flash cloned to hide the kidnapping from their parents. These flash clones were especially susceptible to neurological ailments, and all became severely retarded, if not dead, within a few short years.

 

2. The kidnapped children were then immediately drafted into the military. Beginning at the age of six, before their minds were able to make the choice freely to defend the UNSC, they were indoctrinated with false patriotism and loyalty to the military. Taken at such an early age, it was easy to make the young children forget their previous lives, their previous families, their previous identities; the violent military establishment slowly took on each of these roles, at the center of existence.

 

3. At the age of 12, the 75 children were forced to under go a variety of risky, experimental surgeries in an attempt to biologically alter their brain chemistry and physiological structure; in essence, to create super-soldiers. Despite the obvious risks of these dangerous and untested surgical enhancements, the UNSC forged ahead, resulting in a 50% mortality rate. Even beyond that, another group of the surviving Spartan II's became failed subjects, resulting in gross physical deformity. Even after becoming cripples at the hands of their masters, the UNSC would allow the Spartans no freedom; they were transfered to the shadowy Office of Naval Intelligence.

 

4. The Spartans were originally created to act as muscle to reinforce the imperial power of Earth over the outer colonies. The Spartans were commissioned well before the Covenant threat, and were originally intended to act as a secret police force to assassinate rebel leaders and intimidate outer colonies that wished to secede from Earth's control. They also supported a fascist military government based on Earth. Never once is a civilian government ever referred to; only the UNSC, a military body, is in a position of power over Earth's empire. If the Covenant invasion had not provided an evil other for the UNSC to justify its totalitarian rule, the Master Chief would have been used in the role of SS officer, not alien slayer.

 

5. The Spartan's represent the UNSC's commitment to violent consequentialist modes of political calculation. All of the atrocities explained above were justified by the logic of the end justifies the means. Any violence was justified to prevent the chaos of civil war between Earth and the Outer Colonies. This logic even continued into the Covenant invasion, with UNSC naval forces abandoning the outer colonies to be slaughtered in order to reinforce and protect the inner colonies. This blatant disregard for individual life eventually manifested itself into a problem - as the Covenant razed deeper and deeper into human space, closer and closer to Earth - soon there wouldn't be any humanity left to sacrifice for a "greater good".

 

This crazed indifference is what eventually caused the leader of the Spartan II project, Dr. Catherine Halsey, to defect from the UNSC. It is also what caused Spartan John-117, the Master Chief himself, to reconsider his own role in upholding this imperialist and unethical sacrifice of the innocent. He still fought the Covenant, but he started fighting for the right reasons - for the good of humanity as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tldr; I will K the shit out the imperialist and consequentialist notions of Spartans.

 

West is Best.

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On the note of Inherency:

 

1. I might pull the trigger on no inherency. I had to vote neg on presumption the last round I judged, and voting on No Inherency makes me feel slightly better.

 

2. In the actual HALO literature (yes i'm a nerd), Master Chief is part of the SPARTAN-II project, the SPARTAN project was started before the knowledge of the existence of Aliens by the UNSC. Go re-read Fall of Reach.

 

And on Qualified Authors:

 

Eric Nylund is qualified until proven otherwise.

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You already have the uphill battle of winning that aliens exist.

regardless of whether or not they exist the government has created programs for if they do exist like space probes and other junk like that.

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regardless of whether or not they exist the government has created programs for if they do exist like space probes and other junk like that.

 

How does that warrant the existence of aliens? Yeah, the gov't has sent out space probes but those space probes have gone so far out of the solar system that radios can't pick up the probes signal anymore. Probes weren't for discovering aliens they were for exploring and getting a glimpse of distant planets.

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Isn't there a crapload of supporting tech/weaponry that would have to be developed, with the guns, vehicles, armor, etc. ?

 

Would the aff just make really big dudes, or really big dudes + really big stuff? How reasonably topical would that be?

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Sounds awesome, if only it could work, Def. gonna be something I research more into to see if someone could run it, it would be fun to run this my senior year lol

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There are a few ethical dilemmas with this course of action.

 

1. The original "recruitment" of the Spartan II's consisted of kidnapping 75 six year old children who showed advanced development in certain cognitive and physical areas. These kidnapped children only came from the outer colonies of the UNSC (United Nations Space Command), whose residents were considered second class citizens and underneath citizens from Earth and the Inner colonies. After these children were secretly taken, they we're subsequently flash cloned to hide the kidnapping from their parents. These flash clones were especially susceptible to neurological ailments, and all became severely retarded, if not dead, within a few short years.

 

2. The kidnapped children were then immediately drafted into the military. Beginning at the age of six, before their minds were able to make the choice freely to defend the UNSC, they were indoctrinated with false patriotism and loyalty to the military. Taken at such an early age, it was easy to make the young children forget their previous lives, their previous families, their previous identities; the violent military establishment slowly took on each of these roles, at the center of existence.

 

3. At the age of 12, the 75 children were forced to under go a variety of risky, experimental surgeries in an attempt to biologically alter their brain chemistry and physiological structure; in essence, to create super-soldiers. Despite the obvious risks of these dangerous and untested surgical enhancements, the UNSC forged ahead, resulting in a 50% mortality rate. Even beyond that, another group of the surviving Spartan II's became failed subjects, resulting in gross physical deformity. Even after becoming cripples at the hands of their masters, the UNSC would allow the Spartans no freedom; they were transfered to the shadowy Office of Naval Intelligence.

 

4. The Spartans were originally created to act as muscle to reinforce the imperial power of Earth over the outer colonies. The Spartans were commissioned well before the Covenant threat, and were originally intended to act as a secret police force to assassinate rebel leaders and intimidate outer colonies that wished to secede from Earth's control. They also supported a fascist military government based on Earth. Never once is a civilian government ever referred to; only the UNSC, a military body, is in a position of power over Earth's empire. If the Covenant invasion had not provided an evil other for the UNSC to justify its totalitarian rule, the Master Chief would have been used in the role of SS officer, not alien slayer.

 

5. The Spartan's represent the UNSC's commitment to violent consequentialist modes of political calculation. All of the atrocities explained above were justified by the logic of the end justifies the means. Any violence was justified to prevent the chaos of civil war between Earth and the Outer Colonies. This logic even continued into the Covenant invasion, with UNSC naval forces abandoning the outer colonies to be slaughtered in order to reinforce and protect the inner colonies. This blatant disregard for individual life eventually manifested itself into a problem - as the Covenant razed deeper and deeper into human space, closer and closer to Earth - soon there wouldn't be any humanity left to sacrifice for a "greater good".

 

This crazed indifference is what eventually caused the leader of the Spartan II project, Dr. Catherine Halsey, to defect from the UNSC. It is also what caused Spartan John-117, the Master Chief himself, to reconsider his own role in upholding this imperialist and unethical sacrifice of the innocent. He still fought the Covenant, but he started fighting for the right reasons - for the good of humanity as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tldr; I will K the shit out the imperialist and consequentialist notions of Spartans.

 

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Counterplan: Build an actual Halo ring

 

First and only advantage: Schopenhauer

 

I can't see what could possibly go wrong -.-

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Isn't there a crapload of supporting tech/weaponry that would have to be developed, with the guns, vehicles, armor, etc. ?

 

 

Would the aff just make really big dudes, or really big dudes + really big stuff? How reasonably topical would that be?

 

The aff would develop anything necessary for the SPARTAN program (really big stuff included). This would be reasonably topical because, seeing as the program is specifically directed towards space militarization, the plan would be intrinsically linked with space development.

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