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Pre-Fiat to a reject Aff/Black Asthetic Team

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This question is going to sound weird but for a Reject K aff or a Black Asthetic team and generally to most "other teams" (I don't use the phrase performence because not all of them are performence), what does the term pre-fiat and post-fiat mean to them. What I remeber it means is that post-fiat = what we learn after the round and pre-fiat = what we learned before the debate round (?). If someone could explain what those two things mean and how they are generally used in a debate round that would be helpful.

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Simplest answer: Pre-fiat, essentially, means that the implications to the criticism are prior to the impacts of the aff.

 

Absent a more specific inquiry, that's probably the most concise response you'll get.

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Simplest answer: Pre-fiat, essentially, means that the implications to the criticism are prior to the impacts of the aff.

 

Absent a more specific inquiry, that's probably the most concise response you'll get.

To expand on this, the team will say that fiat is just a game ("fiat is illusory" is often the catch-phrase). Even if the judge votes aff because (s)he thinks the plan is a good idea, the nuclear war/environmental catastrophe/other impact will not be averted - the world outside the room doesn't change. All the impacts that the aff accesses after assuming fiat (therefore post-fiat) are made up.

But, they will say, the 5 of us in this room talking about politics and thinking about the world, that is real. If we consider how we think about the world and determine to think about it in a better way, that's real. So the K can actually solve its impacts (pre-fiat: can solve without assuming fiat), while the aff only pretends to solve its impacts.

 

IMHO, this is probably pretty silly. The judge either affirms or negates at the end of the round. There are ethical/ontological consequences to that decision, and there are tangible consequences to that decision.

But it really comes to the role of the ballot. If you can win that the judge should think of himself as a policymaker who is endorsing or choosing to not endorse legislation, he should think about it significantly in terms of what implementing the legislation will do to the world. If they win that the judge is an intellectual who is just considering ideas generally, the consequences of the USfg making the same decision are probably not so important.

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This question is going to sound weird but for a Reject K aff or a Black Asthetic team and generally to most "other teams" (I don't use the phrase performence because not all of them are performence), what does the term pre-fiat and post-fiat mean to them. What I remeber it means is that post-fiat = what we learn after the round and pre-fiat = what we learned before the debate round (?). If someone could explain what those two things mean and how they are generally used in a debate round that would be helpful.

 

The term "pre-fiat" doesn't really mean anything. The way BenR described it is how most teams are going to use it, but that doesn't make it any less wrong. Fiat means that we assume that the affirmative's advocacy passes; the end result is that we debate over whether or not something is a good idea, hence the word "should." This is what makes policy debate what it is, otherwise the debate would always be about whether or not the USFG would pass the plan. Critical or performance cases use a form of fiat as well in that they also assume a world in which some sort of change takes place and the debate becomes over whether or not that change should occur.

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