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The following cite is from your 08-09 wiki page. Because this card is from "personal correspondence with interviewer Michael Antonucci," it is not available online. I would appreciate it if you'd either post the full card in this thread or email it to me at speedman608@gmail.com. Thanks.

 

IT MUST BE CONGRESS WHO DISCLOSES EXTRATERRESTRIAL ALTERNATIVE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY – SUCH LEGISLATION WOULD NECESSITATE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS AND SPILLOVER TO FULL DISCLOSURE AND INVESTIGATION OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL PHENOMENA.

 

HEIN, 2005 Simeon, Ph. D., sociology, Washington State University, seven semesters of college teaching experience, publications in mainstream social science journals, teaches Resonant Viewing at the Institute for Resonance, personal correspondence with interviewer Michael Antonucci, 4/15/05, published with author’s permission

 

I think the best approach to Open Contact would be through congressional legislation. This is because such a law would … like Senate Appropriations, have been able to get any information about these black projects.

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Can't wait for the new aliens affs at this year's TOC. I hear the greys really want social services or they won't disclose where the superweapons are hiding in subterranean Iraq (which is why we invaded, of course).

 

Sigh...

 

~Bill

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This is so old that it comes from a Yahoo! account.

 

> --- Simeon Hein <Simeon@MountBaldy.com> wrote:

>

> > From: "Simeon Hein" <Simeon@MountBaldy.com>

> > To: "Michael Antonucci" <antonucci23@yahoo.com>

> > Subject: Dr. Simeon Hein responds to: Alien

> Exposure

> > Law/Open Contact Law

> > Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:40:20 -0700

> >

> > Hi Michael:

> >

> > I'm going to answer some of your questions

> below.

> > I'm also curious how

> > you got interested in the topic and how you found

> my

> > website. Most of my

> > traffic comes from radio interviews and some

> Google

> > ads. Also, is this

> > debate topic just for your school or for others as

> > well? Now to your

> > questions. Of course you can quote anything in our

> > email discussion. It's

> > funny, but I never thought I'd end up on a debate

> > card. When I was involved

> > in the 70's and 80's everything was about facts,

> and

> > only facts, so I glad

> > some other criteria have been added to the

> process.

> >

> > > 1. Frequently, policy discussion revolve around

> > the

> > > implementation of a policy by a given agency.

> > Thus,

> > > for example, an Open Contact policy could be put

> > into

> > > effect by an act of Congress, by an Executive

> > Order,

> > > or, alternately, through a court ruling if the

> > Supreme

> > > Court, say, applied a ruling on enemy

> > noncombatants to

> > > strike down current regulations on contact.

> >

> > > Which of these approaches seems most effective?

> > Do

> > > unique features of the Open Contact issue

> > necessitate

> > > a legislative approach? Which one seems like the

> > best

> > > strategy for individual activists to pursue?

> >

> > I think the best approach to Open Contact would be

> > through congressional

> > legislation. This is because such a law would

> > necessitate congressional

> > hearings, which would go a long way in getting the

> > facts out to the American

> > people. How long has contact been going on? With

> > whom? What federal

> > agencies are involved? Are they doing this

> legally?

> > And where are these ETs

> > coming from (if they exist at all)? With a great

> > educational process

> > intended to inform our entire society, we could go

> a

> > long way in bringing

> > Americans up to speed politically and

> > scientifically. And it would raise our

> > standing in the world community to show that we

> have

> > opened up the closets

> > of secrecy and started to clean our political

> house.

> > It would show that we

> > care about the truth. America could once again

> take

> > the lead as the most

> > democratic, scientifically advanced, and educated

> > country in the world.

> > The status quo right now is that all official

> > knowledge of the UFO

> > phenomenon is held in secret black budget programs

> > to which the public has

> > no access. Legitimate researchers are ridiculed

> and

> > targeted for

> > disinformation campaigns. Military and

> intelligence

> > witnesses to the

> > phenomenon are harassed, threatened, and

> > intimidated. They are told that

> > their chances for promotion would end, the

> pensions

> > could be revoked, and

> > their families could be harmed. Understandably,

> only

> > a few hundred witnesses

> > have publicly come foward, with the Disclosure

> > Project

> > (disclosureproject.org) for example.

> > The UFO situation now is like a disease the cuts

> > off our flow of

> > information and expression. The secrecy

> surrounding

> > the whole phenomenon

> > dampens scientific progress, curiousity, and

> > economic development.

> > Obviously, there is a lot at stake here. And in my

> > view, open Congressional

> > hearings and legislation are the best way the cure

> > this illness of

> > ignorance. There were Congressional hearings about

> > UFOs in the 1960's but

> > testimony was limited to a handful of people and

> the

> > whole subject was

> > forgotten. This time, hundreds should testify

> openly

> > and in front of the

> > news media. With 40 to 80 billion dollars a year

> > going into these secret

> > projects, the public has, at a minimum, the right

> to

> > know how its money is

> > being spent. So far, none of the Congressional

> > budget commitees, like Senate

> > Appropriations, have been able to get any

> > information about these black

> > projects.

> >

> > > 2. What literature would you recommend in order

> to

> > > tout the symbolic value of such a law? We would

> > like

> > > to argue that it's a good idea to repeal the law

> > > regardless of the actual presence of EBEs. We

> > would

> > > argue that the extra-terrestrial has a symbolic

> > > significance that transcends actual contact: the

> > > figure of the alien stands in for our attitudes

> > toward

> > > the Other generally.

> >

> > There have been several excellent books on the

> > subject including Richard

> > Dolan's "UFOs and the National Security State:

> > Chronology of a Coverup,

> > 1943-1971."

> >

>

(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1571743170/themountbaldysto),

> >

> > Timothy Good's "Above Top Secret"

> >

>

(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688092020/themountbaldysto)

> > and "The

> > Missing Times: Media Complicity in the UFO

> Cover-up"

> > by Terry Hansen

> >

>

(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738836125/themountbaldysto).

> > As you mention above, the symbolic significance

> of

> > this issue is very

> > important, as the United States is not supposed to

> > be a country that is

> > afraid of aliens of any type. Xenophobic attitudes

> > are destructive in many

> > ways, regardless of the existence of ETs. The

> books

> > cited above show the

> > negative effects of extensive government secrecy

> in

> > a democratic society.

> > The official attitudes we currently have towards

> the

> > ET phenomenon are

> > contrary to the values of openess, transparency,

> and

> > fairness: the political

> > values that we profess to believe in and live by.

> >

> > > 3. How would the political reprecussions of

> > passing an

> > > Open Contact law be? Would it adversely affect

> > the

> > > President or members of the Congress who voted

> for

> > it?

> >

> > There is no doubt that the UFO question has

> > created the equivalent of a

> > cosmic Watergate. This is issue has been withheld

> > from public view for 50

> > years. But one could argue that such a disclosure

> is

> > necessary and healthy

> > for the body politic. The easiest way for any

> > President to be remembered for

> > centuries is to be the President that makes an

> > official announcement about

> > the existence of ETs on or near Earth. Both

> > Presidents Carter and Clinton

> > tried to get the truth, but were stopped. Harvard

> > educated attorney, Daniel

> > Sheehan worked for Carter in this respect, and

> found

> > evidence, including

> > photos, in the classified section of the Library

> of

> > Congress. Clinton,

> > through deputy attorney general Webster Hubbell,

> > also tried to find out

> > about UFOs but was rebuffed by NORAD at Cheyenne

> > Mountain, CO and told that

> > no such information existed. If the President

> cannot

> > get access to this

> > information, who can?

> > I think members of Congress who supported an

> Open

> > Contact law would

> > certainly be considered controversial, but after

> > such open hearings, they

> > might be seen as brave people who did the right

> > thing. Afterall, if members

> > of Congress only concern is their day- to-day

> > popularity we will never make

> > any progress with any legislation. Civil rights

> > legislation in the 1960's

> > wasn't popular in many parts of the country

> either.

> >

> > > 4. What would the international consequences of

> > such a

> > > law be? Could the United States expect other

> > nations

> > > to model such a law? Would such a law affect

> our

> > > standing in the world?

> >

> > The rest of the world expects the U.S. to come

> > clean about its knowledge of

> > UFOs. A influential and respected French committee

> > of retired military

> > officers and scientists made such a statement in

> the

> > COMETA report in the

> > late 1990's. An Open Contact law is consistent

> with

> > what the U.S. stands for

> > politically and morally. So I expect the rest of

> the

> > world would be very

> > impressed.

> >

> > > Thanks a lot,

> > > Michael Antonucci

> >

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Could they really be much worse than Schopenhauer? I think not.

 

Touche. As a corrective action, I posted the full text of some never-read-before answers to Schopenhauer on the wiki:

 

http://debatecoaches.org/wiki/index.php?title=2009-2010_Marquette_%28WI%29_-_All_Teams#Answers_to_Schopenhauer

 

In order to reciprocate, please post the full text of the new Aliens affirmative you will be breaking at the TOC on the wiki.

 

Thank you,

~Bill :)

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In order to reciprocate, please post the full text of the new Aliens affirmative you will be breaking at the TOC on the wiki.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not going to the TOC this year. Even if I was going and planning to break an aliens aff, I wouldn't post the full text of the 1AC before the tournament in exchange for Schopenhauer answers. Defeating Schopenhauer's argument doesn't require cards. However, I do appreciate the gesture, and I will be updating my wiki page soon.

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