DML 727 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 What exactly makes a PIC or PIK floating? I've never been sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Publius 76 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 What exactly makes a PIC or PIK floating? I've never been sure. if there's no text 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I<3topicality 134 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 if there's no text I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of critiques don't have texts. "PIKs" are criticisms that end up solving the affirmative by doing it -- just through a different mechanism that avoids the link. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayfreshnclean 29 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of critiques don't have texts. "PIKs" are criticisms that end up solving the affirmative by doing it -- just through a different mechanism that avoids the link. Yeah' date=' but what's a [b']floating[/b] pik? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeeman48 17 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 Yeah, but what's a floating pik? A word made up by debaters so they can call the neg abusive without indicting all Ks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon Arbuckle 103 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 a floating PIK is a kritik alt that does the plan minus the link. like if i were running securitization i could say something like "alt-do the plan without their security discourse." they're probably not legit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman "05" 333 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 Generally a floating Pik or Pic refers to a cp/k that does two things; 1) It generally has no text and 2) (most of the time b/c of one) It "floats" around and when the aff says you dont solve x,y,z the neg says yes we do heres evidence and/or when the aff says you link to this the neg can get out of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathan_debate 745 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 I don't think there is 100% agreement in the community as to what it constitutes in the same way that what a "dispositional counterplan" changes ever so slightly round to round. So: prepare to ask questions on the one hand and prepare to clarify on the other. Also, try to get away from jargon and explain what constitutes the unfairness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osaki2 9 Report post Posted February 11, 2010 If you're neg and someone runs a floating PIK argument on you, how would you normally respond? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Needs More Consult Japan 1753 Report post Posted February 11, 2010 If you're neg and someone runs a floating PIK argument on you, how would you normally respond? well the first answer could be to just not run floating PIKs. it's certainly possible for the neg to avoid characterizing the K in such a manner and still win the round. if you are, you can usually defend floating PIKs the same way you'd defend any other argument - neg flex, test of competition, defense, etc. if you're not reading a floating PIK and they say you are, just explain how you aren't, i.e. explain that you aren't claiming to do any part of the plan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X Spike 489 Report post Posted February 11, 2010 What exactly makes a PIC or PIK floating? I've never been sure. I think the simplest answer is that the lack of text to the alternative (on a floating PIK) makes it easy for the neg to shift their advocacy in the block/2nr. A good example would be a case turn or a permutation answer read in the 1nc/block that gets mishandled and becomes a criticism later, that has no text but in the 2nr has a clear alternative (as in, it wasn't clear what the K was in the block, but the 2nr somehow had a K they didn't before because there's new articulation of the alternative) Am i wrong here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gargamel 1328 Report post Posted February 11, 2010 http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?t=993231 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest svfrey Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Floating PIK's advocate the entirety of the plan without a certain representation or discourse. They are the reason why the "plan text focus" affirmative framework standard is true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Rhizome 285 Report post Posted February 11, 2010 What exactly makes a PIC or PIK floating? I've never been sure. You raise the piece of paper while reading it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites