Mr. T 264 Report post Posted April 24, 2009 Is anyone posting upodates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
w/o_mat_quals 71 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Intel time : What affs have people been seeing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheHutt 1472 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I haven't seen anything unusual yet. Anyone know what the hotshot 2-0 teams are running? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dagness 27 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I haven't seen anything unusual yet. Anyone know what the hotshot 2-0 teams are running? how are you doing nick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheHutt 1472 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 I finished 2-2. Could have done better but I'm not exactly depressed. On an interesting side note, I have it on good information that ten of the top twelve teams are apparently from Area 1. Regional discrepancy much? How are we going to alleviate this issue of the strongest teams being concentrated in the Bay Area and everyone else simply not having the opportunity to debate those good teams more often to get better? The team I hit round 3 (St Francis AP) beat me on a 2-1 despite the fact that I broke a new affirmative that has literally never been run before, ever. (Check my wiki page). NOBODY in my league/region could ever do that. They would get up there and have nothing to say. I was under the impression that case turns were the only viable strategy at this tournament, so I went with something they wouldn't be ready for. But St. Francis used sheer rhetorical persuasion in a way that I've never seen done before. They might not have been winning from a flow standpoint, but they knew how to debate and they were comfortable at their own game. The problem is that this was the first time I've had a team do that to me. Maybe if there were debaters in my league who could debate like that, I could have had some practice and have been more prepared. But I don't have it. So it's a self perpetuating cycle where the weak areas remain weak while the strong areas stay strong and dominate the state tournament. It doesn't help that the pairings are designed to avoid pairing up teams from the same area early on, which makes it almost a given that the strongest teams never hit each other, stacking the field for the strongest region. I don't know. Just my thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niloc 152 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 what affs have James Logan and Bellarmine been running? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Needs More Consult Japan 1753 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 The team I hit round 3 (St Francis AP) beat me on a 2-1 despite the fact that I broke a new affirmative that has literally never been run before, ever. (Check my wiki page). NOBODY in my league/region could ever do that. They would get up there and have nothing to say. you ran an aff with an interesting solvency mechanism but extremely (EXTREMELY) generic advantage ground. anyone that couldn't think of anything to say against it should really consider putting in more effort than printing off camp files actually, even a team that puts in no effort would (should) still have plenty to say Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LCCPolo 20 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Any other updates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dagness 27 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 I finished 2-2. Could have done better but I'm not exactly depressed. On an interesting side note, I have it on good information that ten of the top twelve teams are apparently from Area 1. Regional discrepancy much? How are we going to alleviate this issue of the strongest teams being concentrated in the Bay Area and everyone else simply not having the opportunity to debate those good teams more often to get better? The team I hit round 3 (St Francis AP) beat me on a 2-1 despite the fact that I broke a new affirmative that has literally never been run before, ever. (Check my wiki page). NOBODY in my league/region could ever do that. They would get up there and have nothing to say. I was under the impression that case turns were the only viable strategy at this tournament, so I went with something they wouldn't be ready for. But St. Francis used sheer rhetorical persuasion in a way that I've never seen done before. They might not have been winning from a flow standpoint, but they knew how to debate and they were comfortable at their own game. The problem is that this was the first time I've had a team do that to me. Maybe if there were debaters in my league who could debate like that, I could have had some practice and have been more prepared. But I don't have it. So it's a self perpetuating cycle where the weak areas remain weak while the strong areas stay strong and dominate the state tournament. It doesn't help that the pairings are designed to avoid pairing up teams from the same area early on, which makes it almost a given that the strongest teams never hit each other, stacking the field for the strongest region. I don't know. Just my thoughts. what were the advantages nick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hkhhs 29 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 QUARTERS BYE - Bellarmine Rafey/Vijay St. Francis Parekh/Ramesh d La Costa Canyon Braman/McCarthy Bellarmine Bonilla/Sun d. St. Francis Parikh/Arora Bellarmine Deshmukh/Srinivasan d. Gunn Kahn/Li SEMIS (started at 1pm) Bellarmine Rafey/Vijay vs Bellarmine Bonilla/Sun St. Francis Parekh/Ramesh vs Bellarmine Deshmukh/Srinivasan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bonavex 64 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 What teams are expected to do well this year? Bellarmine QFA QUARTERS BYE - Bellarmine Rafey/Vijay St. Francis Parekh/Ramesh d La Costa Canyon Braman/McCarthy Bellarmine Bonilla/Sun d. St. Francis Parikh/Arora Bellarmine Deshmukh/Srinivasan d. Gunn Kahn/Li SEMIS (started at 1pm) Bellarmine Rafey/Vijay vs Bellarmine Bonilla/Sun St. Francis Parekh/Ramesh vs Bellarmine Deshmukh/Srinivasan SHOCKING!!! In all seriousness...major congrats to Bellarmine. Someday, the rest of us will figure out debating with lays. Also, congrats to St. Francis, Gunn, and La Costa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. T 264 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Are finals out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hkhhs 29 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Bellarmine closes out Rafey/Vijay d. Bonilla/Sun Deshmukh/Srinivasan d. Ramesh/Parekh Congratulations to all. QUARTERS BYE - Bellarmine Rafey/Vijay St. Francis Parekh/Ramesh d La Costa Canyon Braman/McCarthy Bellarmine Bonilla/Sun d. St. Francis Parikh/Arora Bellarmine Deshmukh/Srinivasan d. Gunn Kahn/Li SEMIS (started at 1pm) Bellarmine Rafey/Vijay vs Bellarmine Bonilla/Sun St. Francis Parekh/Ramesh vs Bellarmine Deshmukh/Srinivasan Edited April 26, 2009 by hkhhs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dagness 27 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Bellarmine closes out Rafey/Vijay d. Bonilla/Sun Deshmukh/Srinivasan d. Ramesh/Parekh Congratulations to all. domination Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Changelog94 34 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 Bellarmine closes out Rafey/Vijay d. Bonilla/Sun Deshmukh/Srinivasan d. Ramesh/Parekh Congratulations to all. Who was aff is the Bell vs. St. Francis round? What was the aff? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkx3 10 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 Who was aff is the Bell vs. St. Francis round? What was the aff? Semis: Bellarmine SD was aff. They read IFRs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LlamaNamedOSama 10 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 I finished 2-2. Could have done better but I'm not exactly depressed. On an interesting side note, I have it on good information that ten of the top twelve teams are apparently from Area 1. Regional discrepancy much? How are we going to alleviate this issue of the strongest teams being concentrated in the Bay Area and everyone else simply not having the opportunity to debate those good teams more often to get better? The team I hit round 3 (St Francis AP) beat me on a 2-1 despite the fact that I broke a new affirmative that has literally never been run before, ever. (Check my wiki page). NOBODY in my league/region could ever do that. They would get up there and have nothing to say. I was under the impression that case turns were the only viable strategy at this tournament, so I went with something they wouldn't be ready for. But St. Francis used sheer rhetorical persuasion in a way that I've never seen done before. They might not have been winning from a flow standpoint, but they knew how to debate and they were comfortable at their own game. The problem is that this was the first time I've had a team do that to me. Maybe if there were debaters in my league who could debate like that, I could have had some practice and have been more prepared. But I don't have it. So it's a self perpetuating cycle where the weak areas remain weak while the strong areas stay strong and dominate the state tournament. It doesn't help that the pairings are designed to avoid pairing up teams from the same area early on, which makes it almost a given that the strongest teams never hit each other, stacking the field for the strongest region. I don't know. Just my thoughts. St. Francis AP lost to a Bellarmine freshman team at league... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicmasterk 77 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 St. Francis AP lost to a Bellarmine freshman team at league... St Francis AP also defeated most of my varsity teams at various tournaments of this season and if I'm not mistaken got a Bid at Gonzaga. It is also quite apparent from these results that they can more than hold their own in slow rounds. And they are only sophomores... Very strong region 1 showing. At least 80% of the teams left by round 6 were Area 1, Logan, St. Vincent, Gunn, Bellarmine, St. Francis... Way to Represent. FYI results are on joyoftournaments now http://www.joyoftournaments.com/ca/chssa/2009/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheHutt 1472 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 St. Francis AP lost to a Bellarmine freshman team at league... Red herring; one loss doesn't actually change the fact Region I is still consistently overpowering II/III/IV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
w/o_mat_quals 71 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 St Francis AP also defeated most of my varsity teams at various tournaments of this season and if I'm not mistaken got a Bid at Gonzaga. It is also quite apparent from these results that they can more than hold their own in slow rounds. And they are only sophomores... Very strong region 1 showing. At least 80% of the teams left by round 6 were Area 1, Logan, St. Vincent, Gunn, Bellarmine, St. Francis... Way to Represent. they have been consistently 3-1 at all league tournaments. They won UoP, and obviously did well here. As kozakura says, this speaks a little louder. Part of the area 1 experience is, I think, that there's simply a very large emphasis on communicating with laypersons. Not to stereotype, but there's a difference between just reading your regular circuit affirmative at less wpm (ahem damien) and really structuring an accessible "story". For some, there's a difference between an argument being right, or even good, and it being attractive to vote for. Hopefully, it's all three of these. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LlamaNamedOSama 10 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 Red herring; one loss doesn't actually change the fact Region I is still consistently overpowering II/III/IV. And my statement had nothing to do with that point - as obviously notable, Bellarmine is in the same league as that team so saying that St. Francis AP dropped to someone in their league has absolutely no relevance to a CA regional comparison. Overall, though, your remarks seem a bit overblown. I don't see any cause for concern that the strongest regions unsurprisingly have the strongest results at State. Rather than a regional disparity this touches upon the advantages of stronger schools. Upon this, however, we can easily note that schools rise and fall over the years, and that there isn't necessarily any dynastic permanence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mario 134 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 Saint Francis AP qualled to the TOC at berkeley after thier first bid at stanford. congrats chander, and obviously bellarmine for a great accomplisment! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niloc 152 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 Congrats to St Francis and Bellarmine. It was a pleasure debating St Francis in quarters; Chander and Sejal are both awesome speakers. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y? 383 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 Congrats to St Francis and Bellarmine. It was a pleasure debating St Francis in quarters; Chander and Sejal are both awesome speakers. ...and so sweet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbgray 47 Report post Posted April 28, 2009 I don't see any cause for concern that the strongest regions unsurprisingly have the strongest results at State. Rather than a regional disparity this touches upon the advantages of stronger schools. Upon this, however, we can easily note that schools rise and fall over the years, and that there isn't necessarily any dynastic permanence. "...the strongest regions...". Questionable. It's hard to tell how well other regions might have done if they had brought their best teams. California qualified 13 teams to the TOC. 2 went to State. Both of those teams were in Semi's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites