mdawgig 249 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 "Don't say poverty/lower class"? Like that poverty (or lower class, if the aff says it in their plan or ev) is a code words for lazy, stupid, and whatever else (not my opinions! just some ideas) and that causes racism/dehum, etc, etc... Ideas? Comments? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octagon 37 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 can we talk about all possible k's for next year or would you like it to be strictly about your k idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdawgig 249 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 Hell why not, but I would like feedback por favor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlassCaseOfEmotion 147 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 i think word PICs like this are stupid because unless you can prove that the Aff itself is using the term in that fashion, then they probably dont link that much. That being said, i thought the same thing about the SSA PIC from public health and that argument almost never lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndonlan 46 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 haha i can't wait to see next year's attempts to avoid this word PIC. SSA --> topically designated areas poverty --> ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shes legal in dog years 1000000038 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 "to anyone that makes less than 14,000 (or whatever the poverty line is) a year" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octagon 37 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 I know next year will be very k heavy exspecially cap k heavy so instead of running cap k what does everyone think about a empire k with cap impacts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedy Gonzales 56 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 see....cap k. why? are you solving for the harms of cap by gving social services to the poor? you arent exactly enaging in a capitalist mindset.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tdebater46 116 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 poverty rhetoric K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shes legal in dog years 1000000038 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 zizek would say otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zar_B 54 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 see....cap k. why? are you solving for the harms of cap by gving social services to the poor? you arent exactly enaging in a capitalist mindset.......... Nah dude. You're masking the problems of the system while barely affecting its overall structure. You make capitalism even more brutal, making it more efficient and productive, making it harder to overthrow by creating contentment with the system while others still suffer. At least, that's something along the lines of why you'd link to the cap k, I think. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathan_debate 745 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 Dude....why don't we have better answers to the "whitewashing" argument??? I think Zizek wrote one. This argument is soooooo abused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shes legal in dog years 1000000038 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 Because zizek (and other lacanians) make damn good answers back to all the reason why idenitity politics is good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JGuha 93 Report post Posted January 18, 2009 Non-Lacanians as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
princessfairycupcakes 10 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 "Don't say poverty/lower class"? Like that poverty (or lower class, if the aff says it in their plan or ev) is a code words for lazy, stupid, and whatever else (not my opinions! just some ideas) and that causes racism/dehum Could you run a k on how our standard for poverty and lower class is non-consistent with other countries, throwing us towards an isolationist(or arrogant) mindset and killing our trade, causing war and other fun shit? Good/Bad? I'm new at this, I'd love help. Or a beat down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shes legal in dog years 1000000038 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 that'd be more of a dis-ad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
princessfairycupcakes 10 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Oh...right. Nevermind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shes legal in dog years 1000000038 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Non-Lacanians as well for the most part one of two things is true: (a) non-lacanians are indicting ID ptx with lacanian arguments or ( they aren't making a good argument back. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JGuha 93 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 In my experience I'm not sure that's entirely true. I kind of like the Wendy Brown ID politics card, here's an excerpt: what we have come to call identity politics is partly dependent on the demise of a critique of capitalism and of bourgeois cultural and economic values. In a reading that links the new identity claims to a certain relegitimation of capitalism, identity politics concerned with race, sexuality, and gender will appear not as a supplement to class politics, not as an expansion of Left categories of oppression and emancipation, not as an enriching complexification of progressive formulations of power and persons of which they also are-but as tethered to a formulation of justice which, ironically, reinscribes a bourgeois ideal as its measure. If it is this ideal that signifies educational and vocational opportunity, upward mobility, relative protection against arbitrary violence, and reward in proportion to effort There is also the Herod link, which its almost like a focus tradeoff da, so I'll admit it isn't the best ID Tix card out there: but I've seen zizek evidence that has almost the same warrants as herod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shes legal in dog years 1000000038 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 In my experience I'm not sure that's entirely true. I kind of like the Wendy Brown ID politics card, here's an excerpt: what we have come to call identity politics is partly dependent on the demise of a critique of capitalism and of bourgeois cultural and economic values. In a reading that links the new identity claims to a certain relegitimation of capitalism, identity politics concerned with race, sexuality, and gender will appear not as a supplement to class politics, not as an expansion of Left categories of oppression and emancipation, not as an enriching complexification of progressive formulations of power and persons of which they also are-but as tethered to a formulation of justice which, ironically, reinscribes a bourgeois ideal as its measure. If it is this ideal that signifies educational and vocational opportunity, upward mobility, relative protection against arbitrary violence, and reward in proportion to effort There is also the Herod link, which its almost like a focus tradeoff da, so I'll admit it isn't the best ID Tix card out there: but I've seen zizek evidence that has almost the same warrants as herod. Methinks that the bolded part sounds a lot like an internal link to zizek's critique of capital as the Real. Don't get me wrong - Brown makes some of the best 'pain as identity is bad' arguments that debaters will ever read but i think most of those warrants compliment a lacanian criticism of identity despite it's inherently Badioian (spelling?) nature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty McFly 286 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 Nietzsche...but that links every year doesn't it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octagon 37 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 STATISM K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alink91 19 Report post Posted January 19, 2009 edkins? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
REDLEADER 1454 Report post Posted January 20, 2009 STATISM K /thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Octagon 37 Report post Posted January 20, 2009 /thread Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
