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Potential Osama DA?

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Uniqueness- Bin Laden is currently being inhibited from his terrorist goals by the US efforts to track him down

 

Link- Alt. Energy takes funding away from these efforts, leading to downsizing in them.

 

Impact- With less efforts to find him, Bin Laden will be able to strike at [insert world power here], which will escalate into nuke war, extinction, etc.

 

What do you all think? Could this be a possible arg, and if so, would the judge be likely to vote on it?

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It just sounds like a terrorism disad with a far-fetched link (alternative energy trades off with counter-T'ism efforts? Really?).

 

Once you get past that, you'd have no problem getting a judge to vote on it (any more than with another disad), assuming you can do adequate impact calculus.

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Its AN arg - but the reason why it would be near impossible to beat a good team on it is because:

1. It really isnt intrinsic - theres tons of stuff the US could do to increase anti-terrorist capabilities.

2. The link evidence won't be good

3. Turns into a economy disad with a different impact - if they win they spark investment thats a link turn you probably won't have evidence against.

4. Terminal impact like that is solved for easily with military affs or at least most impacts control the terminal uniqueness to terrorist impacts.

 

Good that you're thinking of stuff, hope those comments help you though.

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Eh... It could work, and it's somewhat unique, but there's better things you could do with your time. This is just a spin on, "If we do the aff plan, we take money from X. X is important and without it, we risk nuclear war, economic collapse, human extinction, the common cold, etc."

 

I doubt it would hold much water, I would go with something else, but it's a nice thought.

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Uniqueness- Bin Laden is currently being inhibited from his terrorist goals by the US efforts to track him down

 

majorly non-unique: the same zionist-jews who fabricated the palestine caused Berry HUSSEIN Obama to be elected. the evidence is all around us: we all know that this secret muslim, who wasnt even born in the USA, plans to appoint people who chant "God damn America" like the very un-Reverend Wrong and his "reformed" TERRORIST FRIENDS like billy ayer as Imams of State and (lack) of Defence. Tho this might be an impact take out too cause osama wont even have to bomb us because obama will surrender.

 

screw debate and stock up on guns while you can!

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The problem with this disad is that it ignores an important reality. The federal government is not reluctant to continue to spend and create debt when it comes to fighting terrorism. At least, that is one of the premises of the Iraq war and we haven't traded off anything to fund this $10 million a day action. Nor have any government programs adopted in the past 5 years led to a decrease of money being poored into this venture. What evidence do you have that the US would shift money from anti-terrorist actions abroad for anything? Recent history demonstrates that there are some goals we will continue to spend on (and spend and spend) and there are no trade-offs anywhere -- except in the form of additional debt. The current congress and presidency categorize this war on terrorism (and the actual war, which is supposed to be reducing terrorist support) as completely separate from the federal budget -- it's treated as a separate pot of money (or credit) than the rest of federal spending. I would see alternative energy incentives being part of the real federal budget, while the search for bin Laden and his associates are part of this "other" money.

 

Also, what do you do with it if the AFF provides funding for their incentives beyond current federal income sources?

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I think this is far less plausible than a simple trade-off terrorism DA. Why bring up a single individual when you can scare your judge with the faceless Islamic hordes? Not to mention there is really no reason for the government to catch the boogie man. The government wants you to be scared of somebody, and if the Soviets aren't handy, pick a giant, skinny Islamic man with bad kidneys and the uncanny ability to hoist his dialisis machine on his back and hike through the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Yeah, we're trying really hard.

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majorly non-unique: the same zionist-jews who fabricated the palestine caused Berry HUSSEIN Obama to be elected. the evidence is all around us: we all know that this secret muslim, who wasnt even born in the USA, plans to appoint people who chant "God damn America" like the very un-Reverend Wrong and his "reformed" TERRORIST FRIENDS like billy ayer as Imams of State and (lack) of Defence. Tho this might be an impact take out too cause osama wont even have to bomb us because obama will surrender.

 

screw debate and stock up on guns while you can!

come on Red, you can do better trolling than this.

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come on Red, you can do better trolling than this.

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER NEVER EXISTED! THE EVIDENCE IS EVERYWHERE; OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!

Edited by REDLEADER
comma splice :-)

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THE WORLD TRADE CENTER NEVER EXISTED! THE EVIDENCE IS EVERYWHERE; OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!

 

Ehh, I guess my family just went 50 stories up in thin air in 1992 then to get a good view of NY :)

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Uniqueness- Bin Laden is currently being inhibited from his terrorist goals by the US efforts to track him down

 

Link- Alt. Energy takes funding away from these efforts, leading to downsizing in them.

 

Impact- With less efforts to find him, Bin Laden will be able to strike at [insert world power here], which will escalate into nuke war, extinction, etc.

 

What do you all think? Could this be a possible arg, and if so, would the judge be likely to vote on it?

Trade-off disads are okay, if you can find a link, which I think will be the issue.

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I think generally that is a good idea, but i don't really see why it need to be osama exclusively. what if it was

 

uniqueness: substantial amounts of funding for anti-terror programs are preventing another terrorist attack

 

link: alternative energy funding tradeoffs with anti-terror funding

 

i/l: terror attack

 

i: escalates to full blow nuclear war

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you have to prove that osama is still healthy, alive, and active

 

also there's some pretty good cards that say provoking osama with more counter-t efforts would cause him to attack again or "make himself seem important"

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that's a stupid link. And yeah, our country will continue to spend billions on fighting terrorism whether we have the money to do so or not. The real issue here if we were to stop spending billions on the "protection" of Americans from the evil terrorists there would be huge criticism of the gov.

 

Plus, it's empirically proven that there's no impact to this event. Osama crashed planes into the twin towers and yet we didn't have a nuc war or extinction...?

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majorly non-unique: the same zionist-jews who fabricated the palestine caused Berry HUSSEIN Obama to be elected. the evidence is all around us: we all know that this secret muslim, who wasnt even born in the USA, plans to appoint people who chant "God damn America" like the very un-Reverend Wrong and his "reformed" TERRORIST FRIENDS like billy ayer as Imams of State and (lack) of Defence. Tho this might be an impact take out too cause osama wont even have to bomb us because obama will surrender.

 

 

 

screw debate and stock up on guns while you can!

 

True dat

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majorly non-unique: the same zionist-jews who fabricated the palestine caused Berry HUSSEIN Obama to be elected. the evidence is all around us: we all know that this secret muslim, who wasnt even born in the USA, plans to appoint people who chant "God damn America" like the very un-Reverend Wrong and his "reformed" TERRORIST FRIENDS like billy ayer as Imams of State and (lack) of Defence. Tho this might be an impact take out too cause osama wont even have to bomb us because obama will surrender.

 

screw debate and stock up on guns while you can!

 

and such is the joy of cross-x.com.

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