kerpen 533 Report post Posted October 29, 2004 FEDERAL ELECTIONS - Resolved: The United States federal government should substantially change its federal election system. Topic Paper Here CIVIL LIBERTIES - Resolved: The United States federal government should substantially decrease its authority either to detain without charge or to search without probable cause. Topic Paper Here 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
methaneman 8 Report post Posted October 29, 2004 surprised space didn't make it to the finals 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderbolt 10 Report post Posted October 29, 2004 Go federal elections! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achs_debater24 11 Report post Posted October 29, 2004 Does suck, i wish space would win because it looked like it would be fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrTom225 35 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 i think federal elections has an aray of different affirmatives. the other resolution sounds like oyu have to support one or the other Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cypherson 90 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 im thinking that civil liberities would be boring after a while, but Elections seems pretty dumb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kerpen 533 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 Read the topic papers before commenting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dziegler 1548 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 god, don't vote federal elections. i can just see "electoral college" being ran by everybody... i'm pissed as hell that space didn't make it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raganor 10 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 Only the stupid will get rid of the electoral college. Non-topical on "USFG," "its," and potentially "federal election system." And an assload of case turns. But both topics are mostly aff-biased. Severe lack of counterplan ground on elections, and severe aff bias period on civil liberties. Altho there is a substantial amount of critical ground available on civlibs, but it's mainly resolutionally linked or counterintuitive. Eh, I'm a senior. Whatever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NKiriakos 18 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 While i think federal elections is going to be a better topic, i'm not a fan of any resolution that dosn't ask you to establish a policy. I swear CX is turning into PF more and more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shes legal in dog years 1000000038 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 For elections, do you think that Anarchy could be a case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyR 10 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 Man this sucks. It will be yet another year of debating something I don't care about...Ok well I care about it I just don't wanna deabte about it. Why oh why couldn't space win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roach 234 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 i wanted to talk about the red man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kernelreefer 71 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 OK, I think Federal Elections are the best choice... 1.States CP 2.A wide array of affs. I thought of 10 in my head-I'm sure some are not topical 3.Giant fism link... maybe be overrun, but I thought hege was going to be overdone this year, and so far it hasn't been. 4.Amendment CP 5.Exec CP 6.Consult Canada-they have an awesome democracy/federalism 7.Anarchy K 8.State K 9.election monitoring CP 10. UN CP-hey kick ass with elections 11. Demo Promo Adv/DA 12. Self-D DA and many others. 13. If you look at the topic papers, it has some sweet cases (sweet being a relative term).... And if Electoral College would be run by everyone, the Patriot Act would be run by everyone under the Civil Liberties topic. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hotstreak_nic 40 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 I must vote Fed elections cause I just don't see the debate on civil liberties. I can see more argumentation on the elections than the other one. But ACHS debater sean is right. Space would be much better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedHead 821 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 word to space. Kerpen- what kind of affs would we be dealing with for both topics? right now im thinking fed elections would have more but i definately would not enjoy that topic. Civil liberties does reallly seem to have no affs. it'd be like, we have/dont have the right to search... and then random senarios. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floydian 668 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 i don't debate anymore, but geez, both those topics are dull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TSA God 10 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 The federal elections process won't be dull. You could do anything on a national scale. There's many cases, and the entire election process could be included. Primaries on a national scale would be fun, and abolishing the electoral college would be possible. Really-eventually people will think of many cases. It won't be dull; just more people will be thinking about cases once the final topic is named. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brainstorm 27 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 is it just me, or does it seem like there would be only one topical plan for each resolution? federal elections = get rid of electoral college civil liberties = repeal the patriot act Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floydian 668 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 The federal elections process won't be dull. You could do anything on a national scale. There's many cases, and the entire election process could be included. Primaries on a national scale would be fun, and abolishing the electoral college would be possible. Really-eventually people will think of many cases. It won't be dull; just more people will be thinking about cases once the final topic is named.boring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
methaneman 8 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 OK, I think Federal Elections are the best choice... 1.States CP 2.A wide array of affs. I thought of 10 in my head-I'm sure some are not topical 3.Giant fism link... maybe be overrun, but I thought hege was going to be overdone this year, and so far it hasn't been. 4.Amendment CP 5.Exec CP 6.Consult Canada-they have an awesome democracy/federalism 7.Anarchy K 8.State K 9.election monitoring CP 10. UN CP-hey kick ass with elections 11. Demo Promo Adv/DA 12. Self-D DA and many others. 13. If you look at the topic papers, it has some sweet cases (sweet being a relative term).... And if Electoral College would be run by everyone, the Patriot Act would be run by everyone under the Civil Liberties topic. You forgot my LEAST favorite counterplan of all time, but fits perfectly into the topic, Con-Con. Both resoultions deal with constituional issues, and i can just see Con Con being run everyround. *Shudders* I'm so glad I won't be debating it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floydian 668 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 I'm so glad I won't be debating it.word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DebataHata721 9 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 When I just read the titles Federal Elections or Civil Liberties I was immediately deciding on civil liberties. But Civil Liberties doesn't ask you to establish a policy which in my mind then sucks and the patriot act (or the patriot act 2) will be run every round! I must vote federal elections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoeofmine 9 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 hypotesting - Anarchy could be case on fed elections, it would have to be fx topical though, you would have to abolish the gov't which would abolish the fed elections......... More interesting would be abolish the fed elections in order to make the current president dictator....thats on face topical, write your blocks and you should be golden. Pick a different dictator so that way you have 2, then you have a case or a CP every round. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raganor 10 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 I'd be concerned about too many cases on the elections topic. There's volumes and volumes of elections law you can screw with, either legislatively or thru administrative methods, and it's all fucked up to one extent or another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
