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US-Russia war

or US-Sino war

only actual scenarios for GNW

there's no other probable scenario

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Before nuke war is extinction, answer the following questions

1. who bombs australia

2. who bombs tanzania

3. who bombs the arctic

4. who bombs iceland

5. what about astronauts?

6. what is the scientific basis for nuclear winter, when more debri has been created by volcanoes then would be estimated for a global nuclear war?

7. why won't bunkers save people

 

 

As long as 1,000 people remain, the population can easily be brought back to life within 5-6 generations. It wont reach the billions for thousands of years...but maybe it shouldn't.

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Before nuke war is extinction, answer the following questions

1. who bombs australia

2. who bombs tanzania

3. who bombs the arctic

4. who bombs iceland

5. what about astronauts?

6. what is the scientific basis for nuclear winter, when more debri has been created by volcanoes then would be estimated for a global nuclear war?

7. why won't bunkers save people

 

 

As long as 1,000 people remain, the population can easily be brought back to life within 5-6 generations. It wont reach the billions for thousands of years...but maybe it shouldn't.

 

 

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first, if there's a risk of global fallout, then it doesnt matter

second, even if there are astronauts, how the fuck are they going to survive if their home planet gets the shit blown out of it

6. there's been multiple studies on why GNW would lead to extinction/nuke winter. and this point about volcanoes is asinine. there has never been a volcano that has release enough debris to go worldwide except for the one that erupted like 266 million years ago, which caused a mass extinction through global cooling. Nuclear war would probably equal that, especially when the US alone has over 26000 nukes.

7. there's no way people can live underground forever

and the earth will be uninhabitable even like thousands of years after the actual war, so they can't repopulate the earth by any stantards

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As long as 1,000 people remain, the population can easily be brought back to life within 5-6 generations.

 

hmmm...how can we ensure that the people who remain will want to reproduce? or how could we defend that?

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hmmm...how can we ensure that the people who remain will want to reproduce? or how could we defend that?

 

Its called "human nature."

 

How can we guarantee that the people alive now want to reproduce? We cant.

 

see above

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Before nuke war is extinction, answer the following questions

1. who bombs australia

2. who bombs tanzania

3. who bombs the arctic

4. who bombs iceland

5. what about astronauts?

6. what is the scientific basis for nuclear winter, when more debri has been created by volcanoes then would be estimated for a global nuclear war?

7. why won't bunkers save people

 

 

As long as 1,000 people remain, the population can easily be brought back to life within 5-6 generations. It wont reach the billions for thousands of years...but maybe it shouldn't.

 

i agree completely... oh and come on sean "risk?" there's a risk that that the Loch Ness Monster exists, So who knows maybe if ol' nessie is tired of eating fish there's a risk that it'll surface and eat everyone, and when we try to shoot it, it splits into a fire-breathing hydra with a multiplicity of heads that shoot acid that in-turn disintegrates any projectile that you want to throw at it. And then Ahmadinejad launces nukes at nessie and the European Union thinks he's firing at them, which eventually causes a global fall-out.

 

That has the same chance of occuring, as a global nuclear war does at causing extinction and total annihilation.

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except that there's a much bigger risk of nuclear war with china or russia that there is that 'nessie exists

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hahahhaa, lol except Nessie's a trickster. you know i think we should just drain Loch Ness to see if the damn thing exists

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What's the most probable series of events for nuclear war extinction?
Nuclear war doesn't cause extinction. The nuclear winter scenario has been refuted, which has always been the internal link. Even "mutually assured destruction" didn't equate to total extinction.

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Why hasn't anybody mentioned an Indo-Pak scenario?

Wouldn't cause extinction anyway, very local tragedy.

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Regional conflicts escalate, especially when China is the most powerful party in the conflict, as is the case in Kashmir.

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Nuclear war would probably equal that, especially when the US alone has over 26000 nukes.

 

The US actually has closer to 6,000 nukes at present, and Russia around 4200.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure China only has a couple dozen at most - I'll go on a fact-finding mission when I get the time.

 

war with russia is more possible because of that missile defense shield the US wants to build in eastern europe. Start of another cold war....

 

NMDs FTW!

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Caldicott 2k2 [(Helen- Founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility, The new nuclear danger, p. 7-12)]

If launched from Russia, nuclear weapons would explode over American cities thirty minutes after takeoff. (China's twenty missiles are liquidfueled, not solid-fueled. They take many hours to fuel and could not be used in a surprise attack, but they would produce similar damage if launched. Other nuclear-armed nations, such as India and Pakistan, do not have the missile technology to attack the U.S.) It is assumed that most cities with a population over 100,000 people are targeted by Russia. During these thirty minutes, the U.S. early-warning infrared satellite detectors signal the attack to the strategic air command in Colorado. They in turn notify the president, who has approximately three minutes to decide whether or not to launch a counterattack. In the counterforce scenario the US. government currently embraces, he does [the U.S.] launch[es], the missiles pass mid-space, and the whole operation is over within one hour. Landing at 20 times the speed of sound, nuclear weapons explode over cities, with heat equal to that inside the center of the sun. There is practically no warning, except the emergency broadcast system on radio or TV, which gives the public only minutes to reach the nearest fallout shelter, assuming there is one. There is no time to collect children or immediate family members. The bomb, or bombs-because most major cities will be hit with more than one explosion-will gouge out craters 200 feet deep and 1000 feet in diameter if they explode at ground level. Most, however, are programmed to produce an air burst, which increases the diameter of destruction, but creates a shallower crater. Half a mile from the epicenter all buildings will be destroyed, and at 1.7 miles only reinforced concrete buildings will remain. At 2.7 miles bare skeletons of buildings still stand, single-family residences have disappeared, 50 percent are dead and 40 percent severely injured.' Bricks and mortar are converted to missiles traveling at hundreds of miles an hour. Bodies have been sucked out of buildings and converted to missiles themselves, flying through the air at loo miles per hour. Severe overpressures (pressure many times greater than normal atmospheric have popcorned windows, producing millions of shards of flying glass, causing decapitations and shocking lacerations. Overpressures have also entered the nose, mouth, and ears, inducing rupture of lungs and rupture of the tympanic membranes or eardrums. Most people will suffer severe burns. In Hiroshima, which was devastated by a very small bomb-13 kilotons compared to the current iooo kilotons-a child actually disappeared, vaporized, leaving his shadow on the concrete pavement behind him. A mother was running, holding her baby, and both she and the baby were converted to a charcoal statue. The heat will be so intense that dry objects-furniture, clothes, and dry wood-will spontaneously ignite. Humans will become walking, flaming torches. Forty or fifty miles from the explosion people will instantly be blinded from retinal burns if they glance at the flash. Huge firestorms will engulf thousands of square miles , fanned by winds from the explosion that transiently exceed 1000 miles per hour. People in fallout shelters will be asphyxiated as fire sucks oxygen from the shelters. (This happened in Hamburg after the Allied bombing in WWII when temperatures within the shelters, caused by conventional bombs, reached 1472 degrees Fahrenheit.)" Most of the city and its people will be converted to radioactive dust shot up in the mushroom cloud. The area of lethal fallout from this cloud will depend upon the prevailing wind and weather conditions; it could cover thousands of square miles. Doses of 5000 rads (a rad is a measure of radiation dose) or more experienced by people close to the explosion-if they are still aliv-will produce acute encephalopathic syndrome. The cells of the brain will become so damaged that they would swell. Because the brain is enclosed in a fixed bony space, there is no room for swelling, so the pressure inside the skull rises, inducing symptoms of excitability, acute nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, severe headache, and seizures, followed by coma and death within twenty-four hours. A lower dose of 1000 rads causes death from gastrointestinal symptoms. The lining cells of the gut die, as do the cells in the bone marrow that fight infection and that cause blood clotting. Mouth ulcers, loss of appetite, severe colicky abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and bloody diarrhea occur within seven to fourteen days. Death follows severe fluid loss, infection, hemorrhage, and starvation. At 450 rads, 50 percent of the population dies. Hair drops out, vomiting and bloody diarrhea occurs, accompanied by bleeding under the skin and from the gums. Death occurs from internal hemorrhage, generalized septicemia, and infection. Severe trauma and injuries exacerbate the fallout symptoms, so patients die more readily from lower doses of radiation. Infants, children, and old people are more sensitive to radiation than healthy adults. Within bombed areas, fatalities will occur from a combination of trauma, burns, radiation sickness, and starvation. There will be virtually no medical care, even for the relief of pain, because most physicians work within The United States owns 103 nuclear power plants, plus many other dangerous radioactive facilities related to past activities of the cold war. A 1000- kiloton bomb (1 megaton) landing on a standard iooo megawatt reactor and its cooling pools, which contain intensely radioactive spent nuclear fuel, would permanently contaminate an .' area the size of western Germany3 The International Atomic Energy Agency now considers these facilities to be attractive terrorist targets, ' post-September 11,2001. Millions of decaying bodies- human and animal alike-will rot, infected with viruses and bacteria that will mutate in the radioactive-environment to become more lethal. Trillions of insects, naturally ' resistant to radiation-flies, fleas, cockroaches, and lice-- will transmit disease from the dead to the living, to people whose immune mechanisms have been severely compromised by the high levels of background radiation. Rodents will multiply by the millions among the corpses and shattered sewerage systems. Epidemics of diseases now controlled by immunization and good hygiene will reappear : such as measles, polio, typhoid, cholera, whooping cough, diphtheria, smallpox, plague, tuberculosis, meningitis, malaria, and hepatitis. Anyone who makes it to a fallout shelter and is not asphyxiated in it, will need to stay there for at least six months until the radiation decays sufficiently so outside survival is possible. It has been postulated that perhaps older people should be sent outside to scavenge for food because they will not live long enough to develop malignancies from the fallout (cancer and leukemia have long incubation periods ranging from five to sixty But any food that manages to grow will be toxic because plants concentrate radioactive elements.*/ Finally, we must examine the systemic global effects of a nuclear . , war. Firestorms will consume oil wells, chemical facilities, cities, and forests, covering the earth with a blanket of thick, black, radioactive , I I ' smoke, reducing sunlight to 17 percent of normal. One year or more ' ) , will be required for light and temperature to return to normalper- "r haps supranormal values, as sunlight would return to more than its , , usual intensity, enhanced in the ultraviolet spectrum by depletion of the stratospheric ozone layer. Subfreezing temperatures could destroy the biological support system for civilization, resulting in massive starvation, thirst, and hypothermia .5 To quote a 1985 SCOPE document published by the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "the total loss of human agricultural and societal support systems would result in the loss of almost all humans on Earth , essentially equally among combatant and noncombatant countries alike . . . this vulnerability is an aspect not currently a part of the understanding of nuclear war; not only are the major combatant countries in danger, but virtually the entire human population is being held hostage to the large-scale use of nuclear weapons. . . .",! i The proposed START I11 treaty between Russia and America, even if it were implemented, would still allow 3000 to 5000 hydrogen bombs to be maintained on alert."the threshold for nuclear winter ? One thousand loo-kiloton bombs blowing up loo cities7-a I c distinct possibility given current capabilities and targeting plans. On January 25, 1995, military technicians at radar stations in northern Russia detected signals from an American missile that had just been launched off the coast of Norway carrying a US. scientific probe. Although the Russians had been previously notified of this launch, the alert had been forgotten or ignored. Aware that US. submarines could launch a missile containing eight deadly hydrogen bombs fifteen minutes from Moscow, Russian officials assumed that America had initiated a nuclear war. For the first time in history, the Russian computer containing nuclear launch codes was opened . President Boris Yeltsin , sitting at that computer being advised on how to launch a nuclear war by his military officers, had only a three minute interval to make a decision. At the last moment, the US. missile veered off course. He realized that Russia was not under attack.' If Russia had launched its missiles, the US. early-warning satellites would immediately have detected them, and radioed back to Cheyenne Mountain. This would have led to the notification of the president, who also would have had three minutes to make his launch decision, and America's missiles would then have been fired from their silos. We were thus within minutes of global annihilation that day. ,' Today, Russia's early-warning and nuclear command systems are deteriorating. Russia's early-warning system fails to operate up to seven hours a day because only one-third of its radars are functional, and two of the nine global geographical areas covered by its missilewarning satellites are not under surveillance for missile detection.9 TO make matters worse, the equipment controlling nuclear weapons malfunctions frequently, and critical electronic devices and computers sometimes switch to combat mode for no apparent reason . According to the CIA, seven times during the fall of 1996 operations at some Russian nuclear weapons facilities were severely disrupted when robbers tried to "mine" critical communications cables for their copper!'" This vulnerable Russian system could easily be stressed by an internal or international political crisis, when the danger of accidental or indeed intentional nuclear war would become very real . And the U.S. itself is not invulnerable to error. In August 1999, for example, when the National Imagery and Mapping Agency was installing a new computer system to deal with potential Y2K problems, this operation triggered a computer malfunction which rendered the agency "blind" for days; it took more than eight months for the defect to be fully repaired. As the New York Times reported, part of America's nuclear early-warning system was rendered incompetent for almost a year." (At that time I was sitting at a meeting in the west wing of the White House discussing potentially dangerous Y2K nuclear weapons glitches. Several Pentagon officials blithely reassured me that everything would function normally during the roll-over. But in fact, their intelligence system had already been disabled.) Such a situation has the potential for catastrophe . If America cannot observe what the Russians are doing with their nuclear weapons-or vice versa-especially during a serious international crisis they are likely to err on the side of "caution," which could mean that something as benign as the launch of a weather satellite could actually trigger annihilation of the planet .

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