Guest silvermdc1 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 I would appreciate ir if people would list strategies against DADT. Just the name of arguments. No conversing between each other about why somebody said this or that. Or refuting why some strategy is not good. Thank You 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbv 1082 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Offsets and hege turns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MELE-MEL 35 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 No online arguing thats just crazy, how can you call ur self a member of crossx Just Joking Edit: You can also run subs. means w/o mat. quals(they target gays), or the queer K, Inherency(even though its not really true u have to debate it well) T-ESTABISH T-FX OR T-INCREASE Heg. bad Case turns (if u have any) CMR DA The Gift K (definitely) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyb 210 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 The "Don't Harass" PIC is pretty tight for plan texts that repeal the entirety of DADT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InvisibleShoelaces 16 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 CPs: Consult NATO DAs: Spending Nationalism Bush Politics RMA Topicality: Substantial increase Effects On-Case: Military readiness Anti-gay backlash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Incredible Hulk? 2106 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Foucault, CP: Don't increase end strength, net benefits: spending, heg bad, etc. (possibly Foucault). Foucault can be a net benefit to the counterplan if you are reading links based on increasing the number of persons serving in the armed forces. However, I believe Foucault independently rips this case up. First, it proves the plan isn't a shift away from heteronormativity, but a shift to allow all sexual categories to be used by the sovereign, this means they don't solve heterosexism. Secondly, the K turns case, by giving the sovereign more means to its ends encourages the sovereign to go to war. Finally, the alt solves case. The queer identity is constructed by what is normal and abnormal. This fosters normalization. The alternative erases these lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeus 223 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Just curious, how exactly would Foucault be a net benefit to the CP? All of the stuff you read on the link story doesn't seem to jive with the counterplan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangladesh.counterplan 182 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Just curious, how exactly would Foucault be a net benefit to the CP? All of the stuff you read on the link story doesn't seem to jive with the counterplan. that's why he said "if you are reading links based on increasing the number of persons serving in the armed forces." then it could function as a net benefit but then goes on to say foucault rips the case apart so it may not be a great idea. read the post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeus 223 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 that's why he said "if you are reading links based on increasing the number of persons serving in the armed forces." then it could function as a net benefit but then goes on to say foucault rips the case apart so it may not be a great idea. read the post. I did read the post, I still don't see how them reading different link evidence changes the fact that the counterplan still links to the net benefits... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyb 210 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Foucault can be a net benefit to biopower What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Incredible Hulk? 2106 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Woops I'm dumb , meant counterplan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biopower 49 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 ENDA CP agent CPs Consult NATO are some basic CP's Foucault, Queer Theory/Butler are good K choices. My favorite strat against DADT tho is just politics and lots of case offense, if u want me to name specific case args i will Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lemur 492 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 if you dont mind a few specific case arguments would be cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbv 1082 Report post Posted April 15, 2007 Aff should crush on case each time. Just run offsets, spending, and hege turns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biopower 49 Report post Posted April 16, 2007 Aff should crush on case each time. Just run offsets, spending, and hege turns. thats an unwarranted statement, as ive never hit a dadt aff team that can defend against case offense adequately, most just spin their wheels about how homophobia is bad (seems like a trend in modern policy debate) For homophobia turns specifically: Violence Turn Movements Tradeoff Backlash Turn Transition Turn Militarism Turn Essentialism Turn Thats just some of the better offense imo, along w/ some strategic defense. Email me if you want the cites dynamic.duo45@gmail.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sublime_thought 93 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 boyscouts cp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biopower 49 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 boyscouts cp lmao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
debate1989 9 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 offsets cp nbs(militarism, and spending) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbv 1082 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 thats an unwarranted statement, as ive never hit a dadt aff team that can defend against case offense adequately, most just spin their wheels about how homophobia is bad (seems like a trend in modern policy debate) For homophobia turns specifically: Violence Turn Movements Tradeoff Backlash Turn Transition Turn Militarism Turn Essentialism Turn Thats just some of the better offense imo, along w/ some strategic defense. Email me if you want the cites dynamic.duo45@gmail.com Or some teams run DADT the right way with a hegemony advantage. For the record, I've never lost on the case debate when running DADT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biopower 49 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 my mistake, i thought you were referring to the homophobia strategy i agree with you that it is much harder to win the hegemony debate, but i was under the impression he wanted a strategy against homophobia affs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbv 1082 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 Well, homophobia advantages are captured much better by Offsets and you avoid case altogether. You just have to win whatever hegemony turns and disad you run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biopower 49 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 neither here nor there, i have more fun just running a lot of case offense, and he asked me for it. thats your prefered strat, i have mine that im happy and successful w/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Synergy 2990 Report post Posted April 17, 2007 It links to nietzsche. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbv 1082 Report post Posted April 18, 2007 Yeah, a couple cases do this year. I don't really see it for the Africa topic though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever Being 28 Report post Posted April 18, 2007 Yeah, a couple cases do this year. I don't really see it for the Africa topic though. Nietzsche links hardcore to most of the cases on the Africa topic. Nietzsche's pretty generic and can link to everything that tries to make the world better or securitizes something or uses morality. Many different versions of the K. It links to all AIDS affs, links to medicine affs, genocide affs, affs claiming NW advantages, I think it will get a good run on the Africa topic. Conor's run it since his sophomore year in college against every aff, until this year and last when he started to mix it up a little bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites