nolongerused 52 Report post Posted December 27, 2006 No, the referendum counterplan is even less abusive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imported Mango 13 Report post Posted December 28, 2006 No, the referendum counterplan is even less abusive. I've heard of that CP, but never actually come across it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sublime_thought 93 Report post Posted January 2, 2007 I've heard of that CP, but never actually come across it. me and andrew cut it in 7wk - check the file, its pretty good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xboxguy 8 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 just out of curiosity........ how does TIPS link into a racism K? Its not necessarily targeted against Muslims, anyone can be reported. Besides, Islam is a religion, not a race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sublime_thought 93 Report post Posted February 23, 2007 just out of curiosity........ how does TIPS link into a racism K? Its not necessarily targeted against Muslims, anyone can be reported. Besides, Islam is a religion, not a race. not against the critical one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J426 8 Report post Posted February 24, 2007 me and andrew cut it in 7wk - check the file, its pretty good what are the net benefits? other than direct democracy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangladesh.counterplan 182 Report post Posted February 24, 2007 what are the net benefits? other than direct democracy Avoids p-tix scenarios based on political capital. And coercion maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seraph617 5 Report post Posted February 24, 2007 i don't think referendum solves for direct democracy - either it's only a one shot, and we still don't have a direct democracy, or it snowballs and nothing gets passed fast enough. plus it costs a lot of money. i think terror talk links to TIPS. somehow. also, do people actually serve within TIPS? it seems to me like people just phone whenever they want to but they don't actually enlist in TIPS or whatever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolongerused 52 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 just out of curiosity........ how does TIPS link into a racism K? Its not necessarily targeted against Muslims, anyone can be reported. Besides, Islam is a religion, not a race. Sure, but the reason TIPS was thought of is because of racist ideology - and you're being too technical. A racism critique doesn't just mean race specifically, just sort of the us-them ideology that allows us to target a specific group and treat them as inferior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sublime_thought 93 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 the file has a few net benefits and also a nice lil trick if you're running a K but its a really bad strategy against TIPS... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xboxguy 8 Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Sure, but the reason TIPS was thought of is because of racist ideology - and you're being too technical. A racism critique doesn't just mean race specifically, just sort of the us-them ideology that allows us to target a specific group and treat them as inferior. I guess I can see where that would work, but why call it racism? I would refer to it as an "otherization" kritik or something like that. Just a thought............... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Destroyer1717 49 Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Any team that runs TIPS the right way would just link turn the K. I honestly don't know why anyone would run TIPS without the Zizek overindentification (?) stuff. You can access terrorism and heg impacts with every other case, but not hit hard K links. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPDebater 14 Report post Posted April 21, 2007 whats a good stat to read on the critical tips that aint what the camp put out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MELE-MEL 35 Report post Posted April 23, 2007 What are some good neg strats to this case? Subsets T, States CP, P-Tix, spending...... OR(If you like a fun round) Grab some cards out of the Kritikal Tips file and put together a K of TIPS itself, I think that would be a good round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
debate1989 9 Report post Posted April 23, 2007 Spec!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
policyballer 32 Report post Posted April 23, 2007 what are the advantges? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
debate1989 9 Report post Posted April 23, 2007 what are the advantges? over id Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ro0t115 208 Report post Posted April 23, 2007 over id thats not an advantage, its a mechanism for accessing something. we are one of the few teams that reads this aff (the only other one i know of is from oak park river forest) and our advantage deals with the way in which operation tips functions in relation to desire and anxiety. a full outline of the newest version of this aff was posted in another thread about a month or two ago. the other version of this aff (which i believe OPRF reads) is the one i originally cut for a camp file at northwestern last summer. the advantages discuss the implication of operation tips on homeland security ideology. also, almost no one in this thread seems to understand this affirmative. first, racism critiques dont link. second, states cp's dont solve. third, da's dont link (or matter). IM me if you need information about our affirmative and the critiques it involves, instead of thinking up strats to a case that you are understanding incorrectly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maury 2446 Report post Posted April 25, 2007 The only args there that have anything to do the with the Aff is the T violations. Your DAs dont matter because all the aff does, literally, is call for tips. not pass it, aka no fiat, just call for it. the zizek evidence is amazing at saying that we all need to call for tips in order to OI and redefine homeland security ideology. There is also a MASSIVE link turn to your biopower because in the status quo there are already something like 5 programs doing the same thing as tips, and the call for tips publicly just makes it more likely those will be destroyed because bush loses his human rights capital that was gained the strategic assasination of the tips program by Dick Armey. Read the cards to the outline posted earlier, it gives you a much better sense of the aff. Or in the very least find some of the posts that explain rounds where the aff was present. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPDebater 14 Report post Posted April 25, 2007 no its actully not repeatin itself, the older part of the thread didnt answer the question and just spread out everywhere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biopower 49 Report post Posted April 26, 2007 I'd go 5 minutes of topicality - serving in the 2NR. If the people who call in on the TIPS hotline are serving Citizen Corps, then so are the people who deliver mail to them. under that interpretation its impossible to serve in the citizen corps, meaning it removes 1/6 of the topic. if your judges are good enuff, i'd say roll w/ Foucault hard (like everyone said, lots of links here). also theres a lot of good literature talking about how there wont be any terrorist attacks in the US like ever again, or at least on a large scale. States CP is pretty sweet too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rets4ydoc 77 Report post Posted April 27, 2007 under that interpretation its impossible to serve in the citizen corps, meaning it removes 1/6 of the topic. TIPS isnt the only possible program in citizen corps, you can still increase in the service they're already doing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ro0t115 208 Report post Posted April 27, 2007 yes, people SERVE within TIPS. at least that what our topicality evidence seems to indicate...and i dont understand why this even matters, the plan doesnt ever occur. everyone seems to think foucault is a good strategy but no one really said what the link would be...any one care to share? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biopower 49 Report post Posted April 27, 2007 TIPS isnt the only possible program in citizen corps, you can still increase in the service they're already doing im aware, but that's how every citizen corps program works (CERT, for instance, would have its volunteers "serving" only in times of disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
youngin 60 Report post Posted April 28, 2007 There is also a MASSIVE link turn to your biopower because in the status quo there are already something like 5 programs doing the same thing as tips, and the call for tips publicly just makes it more likely those will be destroyed Am I missing something, or is the aff defending a net decrease in national service post plan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
