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man, for a debate about weed this thread is sure uptight and shit....

 

marajuana is bad for u in my opinion, but so is breathing the air in almost any city in the world yet we still do it

 

My best reasdon for legalizing it is that no one has the right to tell u what to do with your own body, this is a free country after all.....on that note, while i personally think driving high is quite easy, i would agree to the same laws as drunk driving being applied to it....

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weed is legal where i live. i'm not sure of the specifics of the law and i'm sure there are restrictions, but there is like a very minor or no punishment for smoking it. its supposed to be for "medicinal purposes" but overall its been legalized. since november.

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weed is legal where i live. i'm not sure of the specifics of the law and i'm sure there are restrictions, but there is like a very minor or no punishment for smoking it. its supposed to be for "medicinal purposes" but overall its been legalized. since november.

 

Regardless of how forgiving state law is with sentencing, possession is still a federal crime warrenting a many year prison term. So, uh, no.

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weed is legal where i live. i'm not sure of the specifics of the law and i'm sure there are restrictions, but there is like a very minor or no punishment for smoking it. its supposed to be for "medicinal purposes" but overall its been legalized. since november.

 

I have heard in places in canada, there is an area of Montreal that weed is basically designated as the lowest priority for police. Even the mayor is pushing for weed legalization. You can walk around smoking weed there and nobody cares. But i dont think its like that anywhere in the US.

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what difference does it make if it is legal or not, the people who want to do it do it anyway.

 

It matters because it costs me money when they lock up non-violent drug offenders.

 

Obviously, I agree people will do what they want, as always. But if marijuana was legal it would cost the nation far less in tax dollars every year.

 

Plus there is the whole liberty issue...

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catching potheads is the lowest priority for police in my town. two propostion things were passed during the election to legalize weed.

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Wow, I completely forgot about this thread

 

 

yeah, you shouldn't have to follow the laws just because a few people 'think they reign over a certain geographical space.' under the exact basis of the argument that you proclaim, your arguments hold no weight in any situation at all. because, well, you're just some kid who smokes trees who thinks he holds some kind of important weight in society that he has the right to choose what laws apply to him.

 

It's not about choosing what laws apply to me, it's about there being no justification for someone else having the right to lock me up because they think what I smoke doesn't contribute to society. It also has to do with the absurdity of the claim that this is all for the well-being of the person and their family when jail is definitely something that does not contribute to the well-being of either parties. This is where the debate for me at least really comes down to and why I'm not pro-legalization. Sure you can say I'm just a know-nothing pot-smoking kid whose theories have no wieght because the law is the law, but I suppose that would just make you an arrogant asshole who likes buying into bullshit and bankrupt ideas like as long as a group of people write a bunch of shit down on paper and name themselves in charge they can do whatever the fuck they want.

 

you weren't given the choice of if you want to follow or break certain laws in the first place. sorry, america doesn't hand out waivers to people when they're born. you don't like the laws? cool. but, just because you disagree with them doesn't give you a right to disregard them.

 

Why not?

 

it's just a feeble-minded attempt at pointless justification. instead of just saying "yeah! the prohibition laws are bullshit!" why don't you work towards changing the laws in which you digress? instead of breaking the laws because you don't think they're legitimate and saying they're bullshit, why don't you participate in society and work towards modifying them? it seems to me that most who are for legalization cry of outrages against democracy, but don't want to do the work to change them.

 

Right, except, society and the law aren't the same thing. I can participate in society and possibly change peoples' minds and opinions, help them out individually and so on so as to produce some change (minimal as it may be) without enagaging in the law. I don't want to participate in the law because like I've said above, it ends up hurting more people than it helps and I don't agree that legitimate violence exists, which is the ultimate claim of the law. The state is defined as a social organization with a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence, the law is what presents the guidelines for how and under what circumstances the state exerts its legitimate violence, so the law then presupposes that legitimate violence exists and is okay, and that further more it's okay for the state to have a monopoly over it. Hence, fuck the law. There is absolutely no reason I should participate in it and further its power and legitimacy.

 

this was in relation to saying "what if your parents knew you used marijuana safely." again, i find that you're using void justification for your actions. and finally, no, i never said we were debating that, it was all relating to a statement you made implying that marijuana could be used 'safely.'

 

Your answer to marijuana can't be used safely though is that it's illegal, which seems like a circular statement in terms of a legalization debate. If you smoke a bowl a month, I don't see how you're hurting anyone, even yourself, or even if you are hurting yourself why it makes it okay for someone to put you in jail.

 

first off, i just want to know if you think you do or have ever manipulated your parents. just curious. now onto some arguments. apparently, you have no comprehension of "lying by omission." if you don't want to be honest with them, that's your decision. and let me just get this straight... it's nobody's business that you smoke marijuana. i mean, that's what you said. let me guess... the "it's my life! and i can do what i want with it!" facade. this would be true..... if you were an indepedent individual supporting yourself. but, you're not. i guess you don't really have a comprehension of what a parent is either. a parent is a guardian, a legal guardian. a guardian is one who protects you. and this applies not only protecting you from others, but also protecting you from yourself. they have every right to punish you and/or control your actions because they DO know what's best for you. that is their job... legally. if you don't like it, tough luck.

 

Have you ever watched porn before the legal age? If so, every time you did, did you tell your parents? No? Lemme guess "it's my life! and i can do what i wat with it!" facade. this would be true.....if you were an independent individual supporting yourself. But you're not, that means that you only have the right to do what your parent says is okay and what the law says is okay for your parents to say is okay. That's right, everytime you disobey one of those laws put out by your parents or the law, you have to confess it, because God knows it's a sin. That's right, anything. Oh, you think that's kind of assinine, tough luck, it's the way it is.

 

The problem is, just because that's the way it is, doesn't mean it's okay or the way it should be. Meaning the law and your absurdly fucked up view of what a parent should be doesn't merit respect just because it exists.

 

but, this is applying to everyone, not just you. here's just a basic example. a 12 year old kid sees his older brother smoking pot and is interested in trying it. he asks his brother if he would let him try it, and his brother says "no fucking way." the kid obviously doesn't know any drug dealers, so in the status quo, he'd have to wait until he was able to meet a drug dealer before he could try it. if marijuana is legalized for those over the age of 18, the kid could simply ride his bike to the gas station, and do 'hey you's' until somebody does it. there are dozens of scenarios. and something you totally ignored, which i'm guessing you are conceding is the supply and demand issue. anyone who has smoked pot knows the tedious time that can be wasted waiting for a drug dealer to get his shit, or the time you have to wait until a certain dealer gets more, or if the town's dry. this simply would not be an issue. i think this would point to a certain increase in the amount people are smoking.

 

Have you ever seen a 12 year-old get their hands on a bottle of smirnoff through "hey you's"?

 

 

aimless justification. i have applied the same thing with alcohol in this thread, which i don't feel was ever adequately answered. "boasting that marijuana as the "lesser of evils" in terms of public health consequences is not a convincing argument for legalizing its use."

 

Okay, so you're saying T.V., eating and driving should all be illegal because of their potentially deadly effects. It's not about lesser of two evils, it's about smoking pot moderately and in the approproate situations doesn't have adverse affects on health or well-being.

 

okay, there's no basis for giving people the right to regulate others... so, basically, there should be no laws. we should all be able to murder someone if we really feel like it, or that they have done us injustice? and after that, they should be able to roam freely, because we have no right to regulate others. right. that makes about as much sense as saying "joiaejogiajosgijsagmzlxkvngbdlkbvjlagjeopyjepay."

 

saying that other people don't have the right to regulate others is not saying everyone hs the right to kill each other. My assertion is that violence and regulation should always be a decision rather than something that's a "right". Besides, between the inadequacy of prisons preventing illegal actions/effectively dealing with them and the huge amount of legal violence that takes place every day, I'm not sure you have all that acess to the moral indignancy you're trying to conjure.

 

again, you are failing to see the point in what i was saying. illiterate to society as in saying they are not contributing anything meaningful to society.

 

Right, because once you don't contribute anything meaningful to socety you are a worthless waste of air who should be put in jail and quarantined off. Fuck it, why stop at pot smokers, we can get retirees, people with mental and physical disabilities, refugees, the lot of em, what, I mean, with their bloodsucking non-contributing to society attitude, they had it coming. This is all aside from the fact that smoking doesn't necessarily hinder your ability to contribute to society.

 

you want a warrant? okay. well, before i get knee deep in the shit, i'll just start with your alcohol argument. trying to claim there isn't any stigma behind alcohol and/or tobacco is just ridiculous. if you're going to argue that "if tobacco and alcohol are legal, then why not marijuana?" you OBVIOUSLY know the heavy stigma surrounding alcohol and tobacco, and you know it's bad. there are many different factors behind the stigma associated with marijuana. you can't spend almost 70 years shoving information that are taken as facts down people's throats and then just say, "um.... we didn't mean it." people just aren't going to say, "oh, it's legal now. well, great. i hope my kid starts smoking marijuana." that's stupid to assume that. the same social stigma would continue to exist for a very long period of time. legalization or it's acceptance isn't just some immediate process, like most potheads believe. things just don't work that way. it would take a very long and tedious evolution of society. one in which the stigma wouldn't be gone in our lifetime. why is this? because while it being illegal contributes to the stigma, it isn't the main reason behind the stigma.

 

Yes, it being illegal is the major reason there's a social stigma surrounding it. People don't drink vodka for the taste, but other than "drink responsibly" there aren't any warnings that come with it. Just like unless you drink it on some alcoholic status thre aren't any negative stigmas associated with it, the same applies for marijuana. Maybe I just live in a weird part of America or something, but unless you smoke pot on a constant basis a.k.a. being a pothead, you aren't treated as a social pariah.

 

 

 

um. no. i'm not. i meant exactly what i said. anyone who believes they can sail through their lives high all the time will not succeed at anything productive. it was more or less directed, like most of that post, to the kid who said "blah blah blah, i've smoked all through high school and i still have a 3.3 gpa" (like that's good). i didn't say every single person who has taken bong rips to get through a long day is going to fail at anything that doesn't involve eating fritos. but, one who turns to pot in every and any situation possible in order to get through their life will. and fail at what? anything that is productive and contributes anything meaningful to society.

 

I mean, aside from the fact that some people can smoke every day and still remain competent at their jobs (I know a couple who are caterers who do this), your statement proves it's okay and not apocolyptic to smoke in moderation, hence it shouldn't be illegal. Basing illegality off of potential destructiveness is simply absurd, I mean, nothing at all would be legal, knives, glue, computers, anything.

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if you took the time to read the thread, you'd see that i'm not necessarily opposed to use. i just don't believe in legalization. read the thread.

 

edit: no one was arguing anti-legalization either. it was just a "hay let's all smoke weed legalize it yeah dont criticize it" thread.

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in all seriousness, i think decriminalization would be atleast a worthwhile step to look into. legalization is a big step. america as a country isn't ready for that kind of step. decriminalization would be a good... barometer... for a lack of a better word... if there is any chance of a legalization effort to "work."

 

i don't know if we're ready for decriminalization yet, either. it'd be a long tedious process. you can't just say "oh, it's very bad.... you run people over at your local mcdonalds when you're on pot... no wait... i have a new memo... we lied... marijuana isn't bad... pot smokers are good people. they barely cause any accidents..." if you catch my drift... it doesn't work like that.

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haha, you stupid shmuck. is this what you have to rely on. petty insults. ouch. you hurt my feelings?... the thing is, i would not argue for broad use of marijuana. i don't think anyone should do it. it fucks up a lot of people's lives. i've seen that shit. just because i've digressed myself into a pathetic slave to the drug culture doesn't mean that i believe everyone should do it. i think that legalization is a disaster plan in this country, it will fail. i have not heard one single good argument that has persuaded me to change my mind.

 

p.s. if you knew me, you would probably laugh about this.

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i smoke pot, i still get pretty decent grades. i have ltos of friends with 5.0's that smoke pot all the time, just to deal with all the stress.

 

the kids who smoke pot and do bad in school are the ones who don't apply themselves. you are the same when you are high or 'sober'. my step dad smokes pot and makes tons of money working.

 

pot isnt harmful, it comes from the fucking ground...you can just consider it a vegetable.

 

 

make sure you have your veggies ;)

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no, you are seriously a worthless poster. you obviously didn't even glance at the first 90+ posts about this. oh, it's a veggie? that's just idiotic. um. vegetables aren't hallucinogens. and um. i'm pretty sure eating a carrot isn't going to lead to possible psychological depedence, insomnia, amotivational syndrome, possible permanent brain damage, infertility, asthma reverse tolerance, paranoia, etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

check yourself.

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I haven't read most of this thread because most of it's idiotic.

 

One of the top executives of the Drug Enforcement Agency (yeah, the guys who are kicking in doors of doctor's offices and shooting down airplanes of tourists for being suspected Columbian drug lords) called marijuana "The safest psychoactive substance known to man." If someone were to pick a vice, marijuana would be the ideal choice.

 

Cannabis Satvia (pot) leaves have 5x more "tar" than your average tobacco leaves. Thing is, nobody smokes the leaf. They smoke the bud, which has 1) fewer carcinogens 2) people don't chain smoke joints like they do cigarettes, and 3) if you smoke from a water pipe or bong, it filters out many of the harmful chemicals. The smoke from the cannabis plant doesn't constrict the tiny airways deep within the recesses of your lungs like tobacco does, either, making it actually much better for your lungs to smoke pot and tobacco than just tobacco alone. It's also never, EVER, been linked to a case of lung cancer by itself.

 

Studies conducted in Great Britain and Australia indicate that people who drive high are much more capable of driving than people who are drunk.

 

People who are high are much less likely to be involved in violent crime, rape, robbery, etc., than people who are drunk.

 

Marijuana isn't physically addictive at all and not any more psychologically addictive than T.V., chocolate, or sex, so that point is just retarded.

 

Marijuana doesn't cause insomnia. In fact, many people I know use it as a sleep aid.

 

Marijuana does cause a lack of motivation, I'll give you that, but so does being drunk.

 

THC (the stuff in marijuana that gets you high) DOESN'T KILL BRAIN CELLS. AT ALL. Ethanol does. Marijuana causes memory loss, but so does getting trashed. Everyone goes through one of those "What the hell did I DO last night?" nights during their party career.

 

Marijuana causes infertility as much as T.V., cell phone, and computer radiation does. Taking a hot shower kills sperm. Working out kills sperm. Wearing whitie tighties kills sperm. You're an idiot.

 

I don't know what the hell "athsma reverse tolerance" means, but people with asthma can handle pot smoke alot more than tobacco smoke.

 

Paranoia? What the hell's the impact to that? What the hell's the impact to ANY of your arguments? None. I've either non-unique or straight turned everything you've thrown out. Quit speaking and do some research. http://www.erowid.com could help.

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I haven't read most of this thread because most of it's idiotic.

 

One of the top executives of the Drug Enforcement Agency (yeah, the guys who are kicking in doors of doctor's offices and shooting down airplanes of tourists for being suspected Columbian drug lords) called marijuana "The safest psychoactive substance known to man." If someone were to pick a vice, marijuana would be the ideal choice.

 

Cannabis Satvia (pot) leaves have 5x more "tar" than your average tobacco leaves. Thing is, nobody smokes the leaf. They smoke the bud, which has 1) fewer carcinogens 2) people don't chain smoke joints like they do cigarettes, and 3) if you smoke from a water pipe or bong, it filters out many of the harmful chemicals. The smoke from the cannabis plant doesn't constrict the tiny airways deep within the recesses of your lungs like tobacco does, either, making it actually much better for your lungs to smoke pot and tobacco than just tobacco alone. It's also never, EVER, been linked to a case of lung cancer by itself.

 

Studies conducted in Great Britain and Australia indicate that people who drive high are much more capable of driving than people who are drunk.

 

People who are high are much less likely to be involved in violent crime, rape, robbery, etc., than people who are drunk.

 

Marijuana isn't physically addictive at all and not any more psychologically addictive than T.V., chocolate, or sex, so that point is just retarded.

 

Marijuana doesn't cause insomnia. In fact, many people I know use it as a sleep aid.

 

Marijuana does cause a lack of motivation, I'll give you that, but so does being drunk.

 

THC (the stuff in marijuana that gets you high) DOESN'T KILL BRAIN CELLS. AT ALL. Ethanol does. Marijuana causes memory loss, but so does getting trashed. Everyone goes through one of those "What the hell did I DO last night?" nights during their party career.

 

Marijuana causes infertility as much as T.V., cell phone, and computer radiation does. Taking a hot shower kills sperm. Working out kills sperm. Wearing whitie tighties kills sperm. You're an idiot.

 

I don't know what the hell "athsma reverse tolerance" means, but people with asthma can handle pot smoke alot more than tobacco smoke.

 

Paranoia? What the hell's the impact to that? What the hell's the impact to ANY of your arguments? None. I've either non-unique or straight turned everything you've thrown out. Quit speaking and do some research. http://www.erowid.com could help.

 

 

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