Lynn C. Thompson 1904 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 I just recently hit this case. I didnt quite understand it in round, but now I get it. The case basically gave the search w/out P.Cause sections of the P.ACT. to the states. And they ended up spiking out of every position we ran. The advantages were Federalism, and some others. How would you answer this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy_Page 878 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 Read patriot act bad. Just get a copy of their 1AC. Probably find a way to run T on federal. And on decrease, as they don't really decrease authority. Then probably an abuse argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WoSpet 83 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 They decrease its (USFG) authority, not authority in general. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fireproof41602 26 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 I just recently hit this case. I didnt quite understand it in round, but now I get it. The case basically gave the search w/out P.Cause sections of the P.ACT. to the states. And they ended up spiking out of every position we ran. The advantages were Federalism, and some others.How would you answer this? who did you hit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy_Page 878 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 True. It is actually topical, but if you run it well enough you may get a judge to vote on T. There are probably some good arguments out there about how the war on terror would fail without strong central control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bueller 18 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 Don't the states already have that authority through the Patriot Act? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimmyEatWorld711 10 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 Sounds like there may be a decent link to a terrorism DA. Since when are the states good at cooperating with each other and coordinating intel on terrorists, which is the purpose of the patriot act anyways? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lynn C. Thompson 1904 Report post Posted December 12, 2005 who did you hit? some Homewood-Flossmoor team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2leftsocks 10 Report post Posted December 13, 2005 is there any possible cp against this case Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dziegler 1548 Report post Posted December 13, 2005 The case is non-T. Post-plan, the USFG can still detain/w/o charge/search, just not in state jails or with state resources. If you win that authority refers to detainment, and not the area of detainment, i.e. the same reason why rendition isn't topical, then you win that the Federalism aff. = non-T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimmyEatWorld711 10 Report post Posted December 13, 2005 is there any possible cp against this caseCP: repeal the Patriot Act? NBs = all of the advantages you could claim in a normal repeal patriot act 1AC. any additional patriot act bad stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lynn C. Thompson 1904 Report post Posted December 13, 2005 The case is non-T. Post-plan, the USFG can still detain/w/o charge/search, just not in state jails or with state resources. If you win that authority refers to detainment, and not the area of detainment, i.e. the same reason why rendition isn't topical, then you win that the Federalism aff. = non-T Yea, that is the arg. we made but they just said that the USFG no longer can search w/p.cause because they dont have the authority to, the states do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy_Page 878 Report post Posted December 13, 2005 What are the harms for this case, anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSUBound2006 49970 Report post Posted December 13, 2005 you will lose the WOT debate, with hella tight link turns. The tism ev for this aff is amazing!!! love jamie nhs 2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banana Phone 18 Report post Posted December 13, 2005 Umm, Federalism bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrotz 47 Report post Posted December 14, 2005 CP: repeal the Patriot Act? NBs = all of the advantages you could claim in a normal repeal patriot act 1AC. any additional patriot act bad stuff. definitely the best idea. run it in conjunction with extra-topicality, so if they try to garner offense by saying "its better to give power to the states", then you can smack them with an abuse story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The End 44 Report post Posted December 16, 2005 Does the aff use any Lopez ev? Just curious. I am thinking about writing this aff. If anyone has it, PM me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2leftsocks 10 Report post Posted December 17, 2005 yeah i would also like a copy of this case any camps have a good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notyourlovertonight 10 Report post Posted December 17, 2005 A Recent ( As in Yesterday, Central timezone) Newspost creates a great inherency arguement one can run against it. It shouldnt be hard to pick out it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites