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    Why aren't condition CPs plan plus?

    debateak - Today, 04:50 PM

    Sure, but that potentially allows Aff to gain 2ac infinite quo advantages which is intrinsically abusive. They shouldn't get to add 2 their plan in the 2ac.Under this definition of permutation, isn't every perm illegitimate? 

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    Why aren't condition CPs plan plus?

    youdidntseeme - Today, 04:32 PM

    I agree, but that doesn't disprove the arg that the perm is still illegitimate. If the Aff wants to gain adv under that scope it should specify in the plan text, otherwise it destroys condition cp ground. if the cp is plan plus, then specificatio...

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    Why aren't condition CPs plan plus?

    Raj - Today, 01:48 PM

    perms are tests of competition. they don't get to advocate the perm or the quo of the counterplan, which solves your "add to their plan" offense, but the counterplan to add another condition isn't competitive with an aff that just fiats negotiation wit...

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    Why aren't condition CPs plan plus?

    youdidntseeme - Today, 09:25 AM

    This seems to get to the heart of textual versus functional competition (a distinction which is critical to both critiques and counterplans) You seem to be saying: look you can write the plan out and add the consultation. The reason its funct...

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    Why aren't condition CPs plan plus?

    nathan_debate - Today, 09:15 AM

    This seems to get to the heart of textual versus functional competition (a distinction which is critical to both critiques and counterplans) You seem to be saying: look you can write the plan out and add the consultation. The reason its funct...

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    case negs

    Rnivium - Yesterday, 11:08 PM

    You don't have to do what I do but I have negative answers to advantages. So I have a "1NC Econonomy Advantage" with uniqueness, some generic no link evidence, and whatever else I want accompanied by Aff-specific cards I can substitute in. Then I also...

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    Why aren't condition CPs plan plus?

    Adidas06 - Yesterday, 04:46 PM

    Well for consult/conditions, the idea is that the CP is competing with the certainty of the plan. The neg might read a card saying "should" = certain- a consultation/condition means the plan's implementation isn't certain. Perm do the CP severs out of...

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    Kicking the alt

    Samkash - Yesterday, 04:28 PM

    Say "we're not going for the alt, but the links and impact are an independent DA."just like what rnivium said - but its generally more useful if u explain it as a solvency deficit

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    Kicking the alt

    Rnivium - Yesterday, 11:25 AM

    Say "we're not going for the alt, but the links and impact are an independent DA."

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    Kicking the alt

    NickDB8 - Yesterday, 11:23 AM

    If you win the impact framing level, you can be like "We aren't going for the alt", but you should extend the framing that the K comes first, and the impact level. That means that even if the K impacts are inevitable outside of the round, it should sti...

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