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#21 nathan_debate

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:11 PM

Partially different....in some ways not that much.
  • Credibility
  • Critical Thinking
  • Framing
  • Contrast/Juxtaposition
  • Overall speaking & writing skills (although more academic writing than newspaper or feature writing)
In some way this is best. It means you learn one skill at a time (logic vs. emotionally persuasive/motivational style persuasion. You can learn that in now, in college, or your first 2 years of working.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:01 AM

Partially different....in some ways not that much.

  • Credibility
  • Critical Thinking
  • Framing
  • Contrast/Juxtaposition
  • Overall speaking & writing skills (although more academic writing than newspaper or feature writing)
In some way this is best. It means you learn one skill at a time (logic vs. emotionally persuasive/motivational style persuasion. You can learn that in now, in college, or your first 2 years of working.



I fully agree that debate is useful to build persuasion skills, and that it helps people think logically. The crucial point, however, is that people are not always persuaded by logic, in fact it sometimes pushes them away and makes them less receptive to the argument. In real life, people are motivated primarily by emotion and perception, not by logic. What I say is that that creates a gulf between debate persuasion and persuasion in real life. Secondly, the debate forum has change to adapt to the styles within it, and so doing has moved away from persuasion. Like I said before, the fact that people speak at 300 wpm while talking about complex political/ethical questions makes it less accessible to the average person. This in turn makes it less persuasive to the average person. Even if it were slower, the content of the arguments are less persuasive i.e. Zupancic saying we must forget about tradgedies.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:42 PM

I think some type of persuasion still matters, and that the basic persuasive skills used in a debate context can largely be applied to a nondebate context.

I also think that even if the price for more developed decision making skills is less developed persuasive skills, this is still a favorable tradeoff.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 09:53 PM

The problem is that people are not logical, they are swayed by emotions

This is probably too absolutist, but on the right track. People are persuaded by pathos, logos, and ethos in combination. The most effective arguments appeal to all three.
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