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[Panopticon]

I'm interested in learning how to run k's as an offcase. Any advice is welcome. However, I would appreciate it if someone would instruct me on what the correct layout and format is for a k, and just how it is generally structured. I don't want to get too in depth, but I would really appreciate a general introduction.
Thanks.

[2018]

Run Ks just like in CX, just put your framework discussion on the V/C flow.

[Christian L.]

Explain how they apply to value/value criterion, make sure there's a real alt.

[Panopticon]

Christian L., on 07 October 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

Explain how they apply to value/value criterion, make sure there's a real alt.

So is it required to include an alternative/counter advocacy?

[TejaVepa]

Panopticon, on 07 October 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

So is it required to include an alternative/counter advocacy?

That's up for debate/is to be determined in-round/depends on your judge.

You could claim that the call for an Alt by the aff is disingenuous because the K bankrupts the case. The Aff should be forced to defend their case position.

On the other hand, if there's no Alt, what's to keep the Aff from claiming the K impacts are nonunique and thus shouldn't be evaluated?

[Panopticon]

Another question I have is how to extend the kritik in round.
Thanks for the responses by the way.

[TejaVepa]

Panopticon, on 08 October 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

Another question I have is how to extend the kritik in round.
Thanks for the responses by the way.

Obviously, First you have to deal with the responses on the K flow, but supposing it's dropped or you do that:

Extending in LD is sometimes a little different from the extensions in policy.

Most LD judges will require you to say "extend my [AUTHOR-YEAR] Evidence" and then repeat the CLAIM, WARRANT, and IMPACT of that card.
Many LD judges (at least the Nat. Circuit judges I am familiar with on the West Coast) require you to extend all 3 parts of an argument to legitimately claim a solid extension.

[codyarmstrong]

Is the LD K still formatted, Link, Imp, Alt? Also, is framework necessary in the 1nc? How do you explain the lack of criterion and value?

[Young Nietzschy]

codyarmstrong, on 17 February 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Is the LD K still formatted, Link, Imp, Alt? Also, is framework necessary in the 1nc? How do you explain the lack of criterion and value?

Framework really isn't bad. All I've ever needed to do was define negation as nullifying the affirmative, stuff like that. The formatting is like that too. To explain the lack, just throw the K on the standards flow and match it up like that because, generally speaking, your K will be adopting a different philosophical framework.

[Dr. Love]

I usually either make the impact a case turn and concede the aff framework (insofar as I'm not running an NC) or add an extra plank at the top as 'framework' if you will saying oppression is bad or something along those lines to establish that discursive impacts come first. try cutting this article:
http://debate.uvm.edu/ReplyFrank.doc

[codyarmstrong]

What about aff kritiks? So I'm thinking of running something like "death isn't the end of life so killing the abuser isn't inherently bad blah blah blah" but am I still going to be setting it up L, !, alt, because if so that makes no sense to me at all. Can you help with this?

[Chaos]

That is a defensive argument and is not a Kritik. It should be put on case as a reason the resolution doesn't connect to their V/C.